Excellence616
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For his non angry personas, he is finite
I was talking about the universe but yeah His rating comes from dimensional scaling.
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Alien X vs Hulk | 4-0-3
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Celestial_Scaler25
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Excellence616
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His gamma energy is passive when he is enraged.
Excellence616
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His profile is a little bit outdated.
Celestial_Scaler25
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Then somebody should update it or else this'll be hard to continue.
Excellence616
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Excellence616
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Since this is Hulk at his peak, what is stopping him from passively affecting Alien X?
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Type 9 immo, range and Low-Godly regen
MintyBoi1
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How long can he stay angry though, emotions can only be stuck in the brain for so long iirc. And Ben if he really wanted to could hold him in place indefinitely or throw him to another solar system with telekinesis which he uses in character.
Celestial_Scaler25
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What do you mean by passively affecting X?
Excellence616
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As long as he gets angry. As long as he is fighting. As long as he is in danger or he thinks is in danger
Celestial_Scaler25
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So all X has to do is leave and come back once Hulk cools off ez. He'll know since he has nigh omniscience.
Excellence616
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His gamma energy
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Does he need too? i mean he can go anywhere and just attack him from there
Celestial_Scaler25
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X has Space Survival. Giving him resistance to Radiation Manipulation.
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omniscience cant be used in crossverse matches
Excellence616
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To kill Banner?
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Omniscience (of any kind) is assumed not to work in vs matches
Excellence616
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Not with the properties of gamma and with it's Low 1-A hax potency.
Celestial_Scaler25
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Where was this stated? He has Cosmic Awareness too.
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info from staff member
Excellence616
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Which would fuel Hulk
Celestial_Scaler25
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He just gotta talk him outta fighting. Ben wouldn't fight Banner unless he was out to kill.
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did anyone address this 
User of Basic Magic:
User of Basic Magic:
- Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Others (All gamma radiation, in its multiple forms e.g, most primal and abstract form that is neither particle nor wave, is an emanation of The One Below All.[4] It is comes for The Below place where the One Below All stays. The Below Place is also the lowest point of all,[5] the infinite abyss that lies underneath creation[6] as its bedrock,[7] encompassing the Qlippoth that serve as the dark reflections of each Sefirot in the Mystery. Gamma is both science and magic[8] both science and magic[9]
Celestial_Scaler25
He/Him- 704
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Where is it L1A. Hulk's AP is H1B, there isn't anything L1A on his profile.
Excellence616
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Talking works. It worked on Hulk multiple times.
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he still lacks rangedid anyone address this
User of Basic Magic:
- Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Others (All gamma radiation, in its multiple forms e.g, most primal and abstract form that is neither particle nor wave, is an emanation of The One Below All.[4] It is comes for The Below place where the One Below All stays. The Below Place is also the lowest point of all,[5] the infinite abyss that lies underneath creation[6] as its bedrock,[7] encompassing the Qlippoth that serve as the dark reflections of each Sefirot in the Mystery. Gamma is both science and magic[8] both science and magic[9]
Celestial_Scaler25
He/Him- 704
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Yes. It won't work on X.did anyone address this
User of Basic Magic:
- Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Others (All gamma radiation, in its multiple forms e.g, most primal and abstract form that is neither particle nor wave, is an emanation of The One Below All.[4] It is comes for The Below place where the One Below All stays. The Below Place is also the lowest point of all,[5] the infinite abyss that lies underneath creation[6] as its bedrock,[7] encompassing the Qlippoth that serve as the dark reflections of each Sefirot in the Mystery. Gamma is both science and magic[8] both science and magic[9]
All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.
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Magic (Marvel Comics)
There are many types of magic in the vast and complex history of Marvel Comics. However, while all the magic types are different to varying degrees, and some are definitely more well known than others, all share basic elements and powers (as well as basic potency that is likely...
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i guess not we are using his profile he has interdimensional range which can't reach to Alien X's mind
Celestial_Scaler25
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Hulk isn't on the list of L1A magic users. If he was the his tiers would've L1A.Magic (Marvel Comics)
There are many types of magic in the vast and complex history of Marvel Comics. However, while all the magic types are different to varying degrees, and some are definitely more well known than others, all share basic elements and powers (as well as basic potency that is likely...
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You just explained the difference or else you'd consider punching someone to be biological manipulation
Gamma energy is magic which has
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Information Manipulation (Type 2: Fundamental), Subjective Reality, Law Manipulation, and Reality Warping: Magic is a conceptual system that allows an individual to control the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena).[3] The five elements of magic are also noted as the five elements of "all-that-is",[4] something which is later mentioned in the same story by Universal Eternity itself,[41] and are independent of creation due to having existed before the Marvel Multiverse's conception and even having existed before time itself did[16] (which is also stated here[17] and here[18]). Magic is also one of the 6 elements that makes up the shape of the universe and the totality of everything.[15] Gamma Radiation, a Type 1 Concept of its own, contains magic[43] as part of its very nature. All of the Abstracts, conceptual beings who exist beyond and above the standard infinite-dimensional universe, are sustained by magic in its purest, most fundamental form. The Enigma Force, which is the very spirit of Eternity, without which Earth-616 itself instantly collapses, is mystical in nature. Magic is outside and opposite the concepts of logic and can replace them if they are destroyed.[11] "Magic is taking a thought and making it real. Taking a lie and making it the truth. Telling a story to the universe so utterly, cosmically perfect that for a single, shining moment... the world believes a man can fly "[55] and those stories echo through space and time back to the start of all things, mixing with the All-That-Was and sparking something new, such as the mythical Gods of the Marvel Universe as well as the 10 Norse Realms (each of which is its own universe), becoming so big and mad and brilliant that they go back in time and change other stories.[56] Doctor Doom tells Loki that magic is essentially a higher narrative into the flow of events, imposing a narrative upon reality, imposing a story, a fiction into reality and willing it to become true. To be a creature of magic is to be a creature of story. Right after this, he states that he himself is a creature of magic, which makes him a creature of story.[59] Doctor Doom also stated that all reality warpers have magic within their bodies and that disrupting their magic removes their reality warping powers,[117] and Jim Jaspers states that sorcerers can move reality about.[118] Magic is symbol and metaphor, and can be contained within metaphorical stories while in itself contain possible questions, such as "What if the future was unwritten, the present uncontained? What if we could go anywhere, do anything, be anyone? What if we were free? What couldn't we do, on the day all our cages open? What does the bridge to anywhere look like?". Stories turn moments into power--moments like this--and a teller of tales can harness that power, even in the moment.[119] Scarlet Witch states that magic is rewriting the structure of the universe according to how much you believe you can.[120] As mentioned above, in the "Mystic Universe" (the half of Earth 616 that is purely magical in nature), none of the laws of the scientific universe work normally,[29] as they are dominated by the chaotic precepts of magic.[25] Magic is bending and shaping reality to one's own ends,[121] and is about splitting open the world around you and being able to read the mysteries inside like a book as well as knowing how to stitch and sever them like a surgeon.[122] Doctor Strange stated that sorcerers have little patience for the laws of nature.[123] Iron Man states that Doctor Strange, as the main sorcerer who Iron Man is familiar with, represents "a world without rules" in regard to the nature of magic.[124] Magic has no rules (in direct contrast to science), is immeasurable and unpredictable, and creates beings of pure metaphor.[43] The realm of Lord Chaos and Master Order, who exist as the forces that shape and sustain reality as a whole (Order being responsible for giving the universe shape and stability and Chaos responsible for giving it movement and dynamism[91]) and whose realm is stated to both be the fulcrum of existence, from which all that is springs forth[38] and also stated to lie between the polarities of actuality, being a plane where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist,[38] is repeatedly[39] stated[37] to be[39] a realm made[33][34][35] of magic,[89] and simply travelling in this realm warped Thanos's body.[38] When anyone uses a magic spell, even a novice entirely unaware of their own magic abilities simply making a wish, they are making the universe bend by speaking words of power,[57] and magic is stated to be just a way of telling the universe to bend to your will.[125] Magic and Chaos are linked, abetting the undoing of physical absolutes.[72] The mystic dimensions within the mystical half of the universe have their fundamental properties governed by magical energies, including the Astral Plane itself,[24] something also stated here.[25] Loki states that magic by its very nature is the antithesis of the "rules" of reality.[113] Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality. A hidden string secretly linking all things that only the adroit may tug free. It is the place none can follow, an implication lurking behind words, the coil of rope before it cinches in purpose. There is even magic intent in the driving of a dagger.Even a hero's name possesses magical power,[52] something also stated here[126] and here.[127] In higher dimensions, magic supersedes physical laws and is the only energetic medium that can effect change. Magic can bypass the slow mechanics of creation, such as natural laws and rational processes, and are the "cheat codes" for reality. It also can circumvent all physical laws and is the "cheat code" of creation
He could punch into Alien X's pocket dimension at least
That would just mean Silver Surfer is a smurf
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So Hulk will passively keep destroying Alien X's avatar because of Low 1-A hax potency
but will never be able to hurt X's true form because he lacks range
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yeah seems like but what is stopping Alien X from going to another place and just attacks with body puppetry or telekinesis to Hulk?
Excellence616
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You misunderstood.
Hulk's Ap is High 1-B. His gamma energy is not. His Gamma energy as a hax is Low 1-A.
High 1-B Ap having Low 1-A hax, 5-B Ap having Low 1-A hax. that is Hulk and Gamma Mutates.
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huh??
its literally accepted that all magic in marvel is Low 1-A
MintyBoi1
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Can Hulk really use the full power of Gamma? I remember Devil Hulk being below the One Below All where Gamma originates from, or at least Hulk couldn’t damage him for long even while in hell. I find it odd that he’s just Low 1-A without it being mentioned anywhere on his profile.
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its here
Magic (Marvel Comics)
There are many types of magic in the vast and complex history of Marvel Comics. However, while all the magic types are different to varying degrees, and some are definitely more well known than others, all share basic elements and powers (as well as basic potency that is likely...
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