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“Celestialsapiens change the universe all the time.” That’s Celestialsapiens with an “S” so it’s plural. He also says universe not multiverse.No you will need to prove the artstyle change was caused by multiple celestial sapiens instead of a singular random celestial sapien
It's written“Celestialsapiens change the universe all the time.” That’s Celestialsapiens with an “S” so it’s plural. He also says universe not multiverse.
Man of action also says CPs (Celestialsapiens) with an “S”, which is still plural. They also say they’ve changed 1 dimension.
So that’s double the proof you need against my claim, when both the show and WoG say multiple Celestialsapiens are responsible for changing 1 universe.
11-B AXThey also say they’ve changed 1 dimension.
11-B AX
It's very obviously a joke bruh.The dimensions from Ben 10 are not considered to be viable here or else Alien x will be low 1-C
?Saying "I'm not going to address this" is a surefire way to lose an argument.
fodder ass low 1-Clow 1-C
Was in reference to Gohanblanco's response to Zamasu.
I doubt Alien X is a stonewall. Considering he's fought Galactic Gladiator, he's shown he can harm those who can harm him.his dura
So Alien x has low 2-C dura and galactic gladiator can harm him good more proof for low 2-C celestial sapiensI doubt Alien X is a stonewall. Considering he's fought Galactic Gladiator, he's shown he can harm those who can harm him.
Or one that doesn't say "gonna cry?" in the titleAgree with Andy. I probably have different arguments for why Alien X should scale to the cosmology, but feel hesitant to bring them up in a thread that devolved into chaos already. Next thread should preferably be staff only.
You mean an argument that was braught up in multiple times in multiple threads and was rejected and you want for me to adresse it again? No thanksSaying "I'm not going to address this" is a surefire way to lose an argument.
Entire Universe means space-time contenum by default since that's the definition of what a universe is especially when the Universal CRT was accepted which is something that people seems to forget about itEntire universes can be 3-A tho? There's no mention of space time
Changing the Art styleWhat feat do they have that gives them 2-B RW
I do understand and that's a pure speculation and headcanon there is no real evidence saying that Celestialsapiens RW doesn't scale to their AP.I don’t think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying his RW is 2-B via scaling, I'm saying that having RW is just better that arbitrary AP.
When "making idea's real" is what's considered the greatest power, then clearly the context of said statements point to having RW being a better ability.
It's not via feats it's simply via scalingWhere are the feats? I
There is only a single version of Alien x that exists and that Alien x got erased by the CTB due to him being fused with Atomic x meaning that Ben didn't have Alien x anymore that's why the Faile safe didn't activate since Alien x already got killed way before that.. Despite having the failsafe, the same thing that wouldn't let him die and give him the right alien, he still gets erased. Interesting how there's no alien in the Omnitrix the failsafe can use to stop the Chronosapien Time Bomb. It's almost as if he's fodder to it.
My point is that Servantis who not only knows about the Celestialsapiens but he also refers to Alien x being an Omnipotent alien who can wipe everything out of existence if he wanted to proving that he is clearly knowledgeable about Celestialsapiens and what they are capable of doing.Ben, Gwen, and Kevin know of celestialsapiens, doesn’t mean they studied them. Even then, how would Servantis go to the Forge of Creation to nab a celestialsapien to study? Give me concrete proof of him actually studying one and I'll probably concede. Calling them omnipotent is not evidence either, especially when Servantis himself thought he was exaggerating.
Calling them omnipotent is not evidence either, especially when Servantis himself thought he was exaggerating.
Wishing someone out of existence is something that refers to EE unless shown otherwise this is an argument that was rejected multiple times and even my some stuff membersI don’t see how this makes it any less wrong. "Wish away" can mean so many things, such as BFR or simple destruction. Yet we go with the idea that Alien X can erase the very souls of anyone because he "wished them away".
"People were standing still" bruh what kind of evidence is that?
Yeah something like that well the point is most of the characters Reality warping scales to their AP in this wiki and the evidence about Alien x reality warping not scaling to his AP is based on pure speculation and headcanon/assumptions with no real evidence.Basicly i agree with 2B Alien X also basicly didnt paradox say "The Greatest Power"? Basicly Ability is not just a power but your physical strength is also part of power so basicly Power not just refers to an single Ability but it refers to all of you
Affecting the prime timeline can affect other realities. As shown in the episode "And then there was Ben" the prime timeline is what’s responsible for the changes in time, such as branching.It's written
even the Celestialsapien making the adjustment – would remember the reboot – all beings are inside of the experience not outside of it
And it affected more than 1 universe as evident by the fact that Ben 10,000 and eon's designs changed also celestial sapiens had their designs changed too
I'm gonna assume you skimmed through what I wrote because I already went over this. I will quote the Big Bang page again: Creating a supposed Big Bang that would create all the space of a universe or its space and time through a physical explosion is a 3-A feat, and grants Explosion Manipulation, limited Spatial Manipulation and limited Time Manipulation. It's obviously shown to be an explosion.Disagree with 3-A Alien X. The realm Ben met the Contemelia in before the anhilarg created a universe was explicitly stated to lack time, meaning the universe created by anhilarg contains times.
The effects of Anhilarg is thus low 2-C so it follows that when detonated inside a universe it would destroy time as well. And Alien X recreated all this
Low 2-C Alien X is fine
As explained above that's not enough proof. If changing the art style was that impressive then all Celestialsapiens would be held accountable for unauthorized reality warping. Merely changing an aspect of the universe with no further contextChanging the Art style
Again you straw-man me after I just said his reality warping scaling to AP is no issue. Calling my arguments headcanon or speculation is either you being denial, or not knowing how context clues work. It's clearly stated verbatim that the universe's greatest power is where ideas become real. Paradox is saying the best ability ever is reality warping.I do understand and that's a pure speculation and headcanon there is no real evidence saying that Celestialsapiens RW doesn't scale to their AP.
I'm not talking about Atomic X or any other Bens. I'm talking about Ben prime. The failsafe never activated so that means no alien in the omnitrix can handle the power of the CTB.It's not via feats it's simply via scaling
There is only a single version of Alien x that exists and that Alien x got erased by the CTB due to him being fused with Atomic x meaning that Ben didn't have Alien x anymore that's why the Faile safe didn't activate since Alien x already got killed way before that.
If he was starting to think he was wrong, then clearly he was exaggerating in some way. Also notice how every time he speaks of Ben he only refers to him as a threat to the universe. That goes for everything else in that matter. It's always "universe" this or "universe" that for Alien X statements, nothing higher. So in context "all of existence" being the universe makes sense.My point is that Servantis who not only knows about the Celestialsapiens but he also refers to Alien x being an Omnipotent alien who can wipe everything out of existence if he wanted to proving that he is clearly knowledgeable about Celestialsapiens and what they are capable of doing.
"Omg bruh he's omnipotent!" Anyone can call him omnipotent, that’s not evidence of studying them.It is an evidence as it clearly proves that Servantis knows about Celestialsapiens Status and what they are capable of doing and Servantis never thought that he was exaggerating he was simply trying to piss Ben off.
Servantis statement is also something that is supported by many other statements in the show anyway so it's not really an exaggeration especially when there is no real evidence for that except of a single statement that be can interpreted as just Servantis trying to piss ben off (or making fun of him) which is not an enough evidence anyway.
Wishing out of existence is vague. A character can wish for the extinction of the human race by killing every human ever, and with all humans dead, they won’t exist. The dinosaurs don’t exist anymore, does that mean a meteor can destroy souls?Wishing someone out of existence is something that refers to EE unless shown otherwise this is an argument that was rejected multiple times and even my some stuff members
That literally doesn’t mean anything at all and I'm not going to waste time arguing about semantics that don’t matter.Living beings weren't moving during the Creation of the universe they only started moving when the Universe was fully created with it's time implying that time itself was gone anyway I think Andy took care of that so there isn't much to say here all of your evidence are based on vague visual feats and statements and you interpret them in a way that fits your own narrative
Minor nitpick. You see Ben and Rook leave the timeline before they enter the void before the beginning of time.The big bang never created an entire timeline from scratch because the timeline is still there.
Doesn’t mean it created the entire timeline from scratch if that event is still responsible for existence of the timeline timeline they just traveled through.Minor nitpick. You see Ben and Rook leave the timeline before they enter the void before the beginning of time.
I just told you that affecting the prime universe can effect other universes. Both the show and WoG say they only change the universe, so you need to prove they affected multiple universes at the same time.Eon isn't a part of prime timeline and celestial sapiens literally are in a different universe outside of space and time of changing their artstyle is still 2-B range not to mention their were multiple ben Tennysons from different timelines in that Eon episode in ua
I don't care if it isn't impressive that's still 2-B RW no matter how you look at it it could just be that some Celestialsapiens gived them the authorization to do thatAs explained above that's not enough proof. If changing the art style was that impressive then all Celestialsapiens would be held accountable for unauthorized reality warping. Merely changing an aspect of the universe with no further context
So it doesn't change anything I said thenAgain you straw-man me after I just said his reality warping scaling to AP is no issue. Calling my arguments headcanon or speculation is either you being denial, or not knowing how context clues work. It's clearly stated verbatim that the universe's greatest power is where ideas become real. Paradox is saying the best ability ever is reality warping.
Can you pls just read what I'm saying? The Faile safe didn't activate because Alien x was already DEADI'm not talking about Atomic X or any other Bens. I'm talking about Ben prime. The failsafe never activated so that means no alien in the omnitrix can handle the power of the CTB.
Not enough evidence especially when it's backed up by multiple other statementsIf he was starting to think he was wrong, then clearly he was exaggerating in some way
The Universe doesn't just necessarily refers to a single universeAlso notice how every time he speaks of Ben he only refers to him as a threat to the universe. That goes for everything else in that matter. It's always "universe" this or "universe" that for Alien X statements, nothing higher. So in context "all of existence" being the universe makes sense.
Can you pls just stop with this shity examples statement like "wiping something out of existence" is something that refers to EE most of the time in fiction unless shown otherwiseWishing out of existence is vague. A character can wish for the extinction of the human race by killing every human ever, and with all humans dead, they won’t exist. The dinosaurs don’t exist anymore, does that mean a meteor can destroy souls?
No but that's an evidence that he know about their abilities"Omg bruh he's omnipotent!" Anyone can call him omnipotent, that’s not evidence of studying them.
"it doesn't mean anything because I have no counter arguments"That literally doesn’t mean anything at all and I'm not going to waste time arguing about semantics that don’t matter.
The WoG said that they changed at least one dimension (one of those 26 dimensions) which contains the Ben 10 Multiverse and the statement about them changing the universe was referring to the entire Ben 10 verse (multiverse) in context because other realities were being affected which also support the WoG statement yet an other example of you using assumptions and taking everything out of context as alwaysI just told you that affecting the prime universe can effect other universes. Both the show and WoG say they only change the universe, so you need to prove they affected multiple universes at the same time.
Ah yes celestial sapiens are literally from an entirely different universe outside of space and time and no changes in prime timeline won't affect eon because the events of his timeline has already happened and are completely unrelated to prime timeline race against time is an entirely different timeline with no connection to prime timelineI just told you that affecting the prime universe can effect other universes. Both the show and WoG say they only change the universe, so you need to prove they affected multiple universes at the same time.
How is "change the universe" 2-B reality warping? Explain.I don't care if it isn't impressive that's still 2-B RW no matter how you look at it it could just be that some Celestialsapiens gived them the authorization to do that
Yes it does. You’re just ignoring context.So it doesn't change anything I said then
Atomic X is only part of Alien X's DNA without the personalites of Serena and Bellicus. Ben has access to the DNA and personalities so my point still stands.Can you pls just read what I'm saying? The Faile safe didn't activate because Alien x was already DEAD
Servantis made the statement himself lmfao. Are his own statements not viable anymore? PFFFFFT, I guess that means none of his statements that support your claims are viable anymore.Not enough evidence especially when it's backed up by multiple other statements
Prove it.The Universe doesn't just necessarily refers to a single universe
Telling me to stop arguing huh? Looks like you can’t refute it.Can you pls just stop with this shity examples statement like "wiping something out of existence" is something that refers to EE most of the time in fiction unless shown otherwise
Prove he knows the very depths of a celestialsapien's abilities.No but that's an evidence that he know about their abilities
You have to prove why the characters standing still mean anything. Everyone manage to run away while the universe was bieng destroyed. The Blackness of space wasn’t even changed and all Alien X did was spawn galaxies in space. If the galaxies can exist no problem in that "void" then clearly time wasn't touched."it doesn't mean anything because I have no counter arguments"
You do realize interpreting it that way is can be as low as tier 11 right? **** it, I guess changing the art style is 1D. Regardless the show (you know the main source) says the universe. So interpreting it the way I did is probably the best way to go.The WoG said that they changed at least one dimension (one of those 26 dimensions) which contains the Ben 10 Multiverse and the statement about them changing the universe was referring to the entire Ben 10 verse (multiverse) in context because other realities were being affected which also support the WoG statement yet an other example of you using assumptions and taking everything out of context as always
Ah yes celestial sapiens are literally from an entirely different universe outside of space and time and no changes in prime timeline won't affect eon because the events of his timeline has already happened and are completely unrelated to prime timeline race against time is an entirely different timeline with no connection to prime timeline
So? You don’t have to interpret it that way.Eon wasn't a thing in prime timeline he came from the race against time timeline and celestial sapien's universe is also a completely different thing from prime timeline