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He should have Non-Physical Interaction on his page then, going by the quote above.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Alduin VS Monika
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I thought it was obvious giving he eats time and burned away the Jills.
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Giving exemples could help.
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I question the whole "Monika never existed"
Also the fact that he can interact with things which are Void and reduce things to it
Also the fact that he can interact with things which are Void and reduce things to it
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Sure, you can. But why? Once erased she gets removed from the game completly, making even going back before the erasure useless, no one beyond you and sayori as the president can remember her and she quiet litirally erases all of reality.
And reducing void doesn't really help killing a non-existent when alduin wouldn't even be able to really aim for her.
And reducing void doesn't really help killing a non-existent when alduin wouldn't even be able to really aim for her.
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That doesn't mean she erased herself from all of time, that's because she's ******* with the game files. I don't think it's a one to one equation.
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Exept that she doean't exist in the past..?
And that all of time was erases and she was still outside of it?
And that all of time was erases and she was still outside of it?
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Yay on the first in some cases, nay on the second, unless you can explicitly erase something that doesn't exist to begin with.Nedge1000 said:
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Why do characters like Darkseid use avatars instead of using their true forms?
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Nonexistent PhysiologyDargoo Faust said:
- Can potentially be affected by Void Manipulation and similar powers.
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Like, I can understand mental or physical being countered. But how does one counter a bwing with both?
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Abilities like Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3 and above), Void Manipulation and similar powers should get the job done. Also, Nonexistent Physiology give Immortality {type 5) which back up my statements
5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.
5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.
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I don't know why you keep linking them but...
Type 5 is referring to abeing lacking the concept of death, thus being unable to be killed by physical methods. Erasing a non-existent is contradictory and a specific ability few have.
Exactly the same for void manipulation. Erasing some that is only typ 1 or 2 is a thing, doing it to something that is both is completly different.
Law Manipulation and Concept manipulation vary to such an extent that even using them as a reasoning without giving context isn't acceptable.
Type 5 is referring to abeing lacking the concept of death, thus being unable to be killed by physical methods. Erasing a non-existent is contradictory and a specific ability few have.
Exactly the same for void manipulation. Erasing some that is only typ 1 or 2 is a thing, doing it to something that is both is completly different.
Law Manipulation and Concept manipulation vary to such an extent that even using them as a reasoning without giving context isn't acceptable.
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If I don't post evidence or cite my reasoning then my arguments can look like
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That's what I just wrote; Voidhax would affect a nonexistent being because you're able to manipulate stuff that doesn't exist to begin with.Nedge1000 said:
However existence erasure does not. Although it is a subpower of Void Manipulation, it's just being able to convert something from a state of existence to a state of nonexistence, which in no way lets you interact with the non-existent result of that ability without other showings.
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So Alduin wins?
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The fact is since the definition of Void Manipulation is so specific many characters have a feat of being able to kill is with Nonexistent Physiology with Existence Erasure like HydeDargoo Faust said:
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Are you a Robot? OvONedge1000 said:
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Hoi, no need to apologize buddy, your method is still good, it's just a bit robotic for me lol but not a mistake.
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People should put noun so I can understand who have what. Scrolling into each profile is really dragging.
From what I looking here, Alduin can really score a big damage that can kill Monika.
From what I looking here, Alduin can really score a big damage that can kill Monika.
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Also busting the universe wouldn't kill Monika from what I understand
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"Many characters" is not "all characters with Existence Erasure"Nedge1000 said:
The character should have the feat of being able to erase stuff that doesn't exist first. Existence Erasure by itself has nothing to do with affecting nonexistent beings, it just makes things nonexistent.
Void manipulation works because you can manipulate a nonexistent 'element' of sorts and interacting with it is one of the basic parts of the power. However Richard Spender and many other characters with regular EE cannot kill nonexistent beings by virture of being able to erase existing beings.
If you want to argue from precedent/tradition I'll make a CRT because this is sort of ridiculous.
I'll stop derailing at this point because Alduin does have the feat of interacting with stuff that doesn't exist here, but putting all EE users under an umbrella like that is just off.
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Strongly agree with Dragoo
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just commenting to follow so that I can see who wins: an ancient dragon, or a god-tier (literally) waifu
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Not hard to be god tier with four people in your verse.
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bump
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guys...what are the reason for alduin?
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^ThisSITHISIT said:
Not that good though
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Wew.... I think Alduin can take this (because he is a TES character lol) but the reasoning for the "FrA" is horrible
Erasure: Erase monika, cool but she still exist in a state of Non-existence soo i dont think that is a good argument
Time Manip: This one is good but we need to know if he Time GG or erase because if it's the former, Time become useless.
Erasure: Erase monika, cool but she still exist in a state of Non-existence soo i dont think that is a good argument
Time Manip: This one is good but we need to know if he Time GG or erase because if it's the former, Time become useless.
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Alduin can devour things that never existed. It is a plus
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