Aladdin VS Gilgamesh

[Lynieryz]

and, again, Aladdin can't hit gil

He doesn't need to hit Gilgamesh, he will just attach a force with Infinite momentum to him through vector manipulation that will make Gilgamesh wander forever in space.

 

[KingNanaya]

He doesn't need to hit Gilgamesh, he will just attach a force with Infinite momentum to him through vector manipulation that will make Gilgamesh wander forever in space.

he can't hit gil with anything. 4D invuln

 

[Lynieryz]

he can't hit gil with anything. 4D invuln

And? Invulnability does not prevent him from having his vector manipulated, but rather from receiving damage.

 

[KingNanaya]

And? Invulnability does not prevent him from having his vector manipulated, but rather from receiving damage.

• Magecraft: Servants, just like Phantasmal Beasts and Dead Apostles, have innate resistance to Magecraft due to having Mystery. Due to Magecraft's nature as magical energy from the soul given form, and the Soul's nature as a higher dimensional form, the resistances and effects listed thereof are at least 4 dimensional in nature, although it should be noted that physical phenomena attacks, like Elemental Manipulation, do not work like that, as they are not spiritual or metaphysical in nature. These effects include:
  • Law Manipulation: Conceptual Magecraft is ineffective against Servants with Rank B Magic Resistance and they are capable of completely canceling it. Authorities are considered to act akin to a type of conceptual Magecraft.
  • Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Servants with Rank D Magic Resistance can cancel a bubble of frozen space. Violet's Crack Ice Id_es which stops both time and space is stated to be resisted through Rank C Magic Resistance. Servants can also survive hits from Altera's attack that sheared a whole dimension away from existence. Should be resistant to modern Magecraft, including the one used by the Emiya family to speed up or slow down time or place objects in stasis.
  • Time Stop: Able to function within a sea of Imaginary Number Space where the flow of time is halted. Able to fight and train in environments where time is stopped.
  • Telepathy: Can block attempts to read their mind.
  • Power Nullification: Via resistance to Counter Magic and other magical effects.
  • Matter Manipulation and Body Puppetry: Due to resisting Alchemy, which deals with the manipulation of matter and bodies.
  • Curse Manipulation: Due to resisting Witchcraft and various other curses.
  • Holy Manipulation and Purification: Resistance to Baptism Rites.
  • Sleep Manipulation: Due to resisting the many spells capable of putting others to sleep, such as those from Rin Tohsaka and Illyasviel von Einzbern.
  • Social Influencing: Via resisting Suggestion, which implants subliminal messages on the brain.
  • Elemental Manipulation, including Fire Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Air Manipulation and Electricity Manipulation: Via resisting common elemental attack spells.
  • Chaos Manipulation
  • Probability Manipulation: Via resisting misfortune spells, such as Cú's runes.
  • Dream Manipulation: Via resisting dream interfering spells, such as those from Mephistopheles.
  • Damage Transferal: Via resisting curses that redirect damage, such as those from Mephistopheles.
  • Immersion: Via resisting imaginary number spells, which imprisons and skewers the target into a dimension of shadows, the Imaginary Number Space.
  • Deconstruction: Can live in Imaginary Number Space for a while, which breaks down Ether beings into data to be stored elsewhere.
  • Subjective Reality: Can survive Nothingness Magecraft, which take things that do not and cannot exist, and manifest them into reality.
  • BFR and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: Can resist Medea's teleportation.
  • Size Manipulation, Sealing: Via resistance to Medea's Divine Punishment.
  • Density Manipulation: Can resist Medea's density control.
  • Fate Manipulation: Via resisting Archimedes's Time Lock.
  • Gravity Manipulation: Via resisting many gravity control spells, such as Rin's.

 

[Lynieryz]

No resistance to vector manipulation

 

[KingNanaya]

No resistance to vector manipulation

does he start with it?

 

[Lynieryz]

does he start with it?

No, but don't worry because of Gilgamesh's invulnerability, he will use it very quickly since no attack will work.

 

[Mickey1940]

Gilgamesh is dumb, there's no point in you all mentioning one specific weapon out of millions when Gilgamesh uses GoB as a random weapon gacha ༎ຶ⁠‿⁠༎ຶ

Aladdin negs GoB off the bat instantly. Gil is smart enough to realize that shooting Aladdin with weapons isn't going to work 100% of the time, so he'll probably try chaining him with Enkidu. When he realizes that doesn't work either for the exact same reason, it's in character for him to use Enuma Elish, which Aladdin apparently can't stop

 

[Violetcyanide]

Gil uses Sha Naqba Imuru to see Aladdin entire arsenal and throws something that one shots him or enuma elishs him.

No resistance to vector manipulation

Void Manipulation, Vector Manipulation and Physics Manipulation: Servants can survive within the Imaginary Number Space, which is described as a Void Space, capable of erasing time, space, existence, data and information, and a place which exists on the negative vector

He does.

 

[KingNanaya]

Lol

 

[Vietthai96]

but @OriginFox said Aladdin haxes is 5D so..........

 

[Violetcyanide]

but @OriginFox said Aladdin haxes is 5D so..........

Gil resistances to it are 6d possible 8d considering bb and Kiara use imaginary number space shenanigans for 90% of their attacks.and both are 6d possible 8d.

 

[Robo432343]

bro close this
gilgamesh has 1-A hax

 

[Vietthai96]

Gil resistances to it are 6d possible 8d considering bb and Kiara use imaginary number space shenanigans for 90% of their attacks.and both are 6d possible 8d.

Servant only have 4D resistance

 

[Lynieryz]

Extrasensory Perception (All magic can see rukh which exists in a dimension which normal people can't see)

Clairvoyance via Solomon's Wisdom, Information Manipulation (With Solomon's Wisdom Aladdin connects himself to the Sacred Palace which allows him access to all information in the Rukh] even from different universes like Alma Torran)

Another thing I forgot to say is that Aladdin will know that Gilgamesh has invulnerability in the first attack that hits Gilgamesh because he knows everything that happens to Rukh even at the atomic level, and Gilgamesh's resistance doesn't matter because I'm not talking about him but about seeing/using it on Rukh.

So Aladdin's second attack will be the BFR through a force fix with Infinite momentum.

 

[Violetcyanide]

Servant only have 4D resistance

Mystery and Magecraft and it's resistances are only 4d.but servants have certain 6d resistances due to resisting gods and beasts hax.

Stuff like emphatic hax(from Kiara),mind, corruption hax(from tiamat) and life and death hax(from surtr blade) are 6d haxes which servants resist.

 

[Lynieryz]

Their resistance to vector manipulation comes from staying in a place with a negative vector, how is this resistance? And even if it were, it wouldn't apply to Aladdin's vector usage.

 

[Violetcyanide]

Another thing I forgot to say is that Aladdin will know that Gilgamesh has invulnerability in the first attack that hits Gilgamesh because he knows everything that happens to Rukh even at the atomic level, and Gilgamesh's resistance doesn't matter because I'm not talking about him but about seeing/using it on Rukh.

1.Well gil never lets anyone touch him,he always blocks anything that comes at him or dodges them

2.gil himself has information analysis thats passive and gives all information about the opponent and if he wants to he can see all possible futures and act on them.

So Aladdin's second attack will be the BFR through a force fix with Infinite momentum.

Which again gets blocked by resistance or you know gil dodging him due to precog.

Their resistance to vector manipulation comes from staying in a place with a negative vector, how is this resistance?

Because in a place with negative vectors,you kinda can't move.or go anywhere.

 

[Lynieryz]

Because in a place with negative vectors,you kinda can't move.or go anywhere.

This is a lie, the force that these negative vectors are exerting has never been specified, it could be a force that is not even capable of moving a baby and a negative vector is any force opposite to an already existing force then it's not a place that cannot be moved.

 

[Lynieryz]

1.Well gil never lets anyone touch him,he always blocks anything that comes at him or dodges them

It doesn't matter if he blocked the attack it would reveal that he is invulnerable anyway.

2.gil himself has information analysis thats passive and gives all information about the opponent and if he wants to he can see all possible futures and act on them.

It's something out of character for him, he only uses it when he's serious about a fight or when he's fed up.

 

[Violetcyanide]

This is a lie, the force that these negative vectors are exerting has never been specified, it could be a force that is not even capable of moving a baby

This is irrelevant to the argument, whether the force can't move even an ant or can move a planet, doesn't mean anything since the vector change itself is what is resisted.its magnitude is irrelevant.

and a negative vector is any force opposite to an already existing force then it's not a place that cannot be moved.

You can't go where you wish to go unless you resist the vector which is currently altering your path.thats what resistance is.

It doesn't matter if he blocked the attack it would reveal that he is invulnerable anyway.

Gil blocks with a shield or a weapon,so he would get information about the weapon or shield itself,not gil.

It's something out of character for him, he only uses it when he's serious about a fight or when he's fed up.

I said the ability is passive,its always on whether gil likes it or not

Sha Naqba Imuru (He who Saw the Deep): The Omniscient Omnipotent Star: Gilgamesh's strong willpower sublimated as a Noble Phantasm. An always active skill that grants him high-level Clairvoyance

 

[Lynieryz]

This is irrelevant to the argument, whether the force can't move even an ant or can move a planet, doesn't mean anything since the vector change itself is what is resisted.its magnitude is irrelevant.

Hahahahah, the definition of NLF its resistance will resist what it has been shown to resist: NOTHING, it will not resist manipulation of a five-dimensional vector with a resistance that cannot even resist 3d forces due the lack of feats.

Gil blocks with a shield or a weapon,so he would get information about the weapon or shield itself,not gil.

And he doesn't just use weapons[A literal shield is definitely out of character] to defend himself, he also uses his hands mainly because of the armor.

I said the ability is passive,its always on whether gil likes it or not

He leaves Sha Naqba Imuru in a sealed version that is active rather than passive.

 

[KingNanaya]

conceptual weapon spam, Dura neg spam, distance ignoring dura neg scythe, 1-A 7th holy scripture, and full power Ea all seem to be things this dude can't get past. Also:

so I have no clue where the 5D stuff yall mentioned earlier came from

but @OriginFox said Aladdin haxes is 5D so..........

 

[Lynieryz]

so I have no clue where the 5D stuff yall mentioned earlier came from

Solomon Jehoahaz Abraham

Tier: At least Low 6-B, 6-B with Extreme Magic | Low 1-C Key: Human | Higher God Name: Solomon Jehoahaz Abraham, King Solomon Origin: Magi - Labyrinth of Magic Gender: Male Age: 26 at time of death Classification: Human Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: At least Small Country level...

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[KingNanaya]

• The reason why we do not rate Aladdin as Low 1-C is because he only defeated the true form of David which is not the same as David's Low 1-C level proxy in the Sacred Palace. If those explanations are insufficient, we can probably write it off as Plot-Induced Stupidity, as Aladdin has definitely never remotely displayed a multiversal scale of power.

the note very clearly states that he isn't 5D in any way, and hasn't beat anyone that is 5D. so where does the 5D scaling come from? honestly, I should request for this to be closed since it's a stomp

 

[Lynieryz]

the note very clearly states that he isn't 5D in any way, and hasn't beat anyone that is 5D. so where does the 5D scaling come from? honestly, I should request for this to be closed since it's a stomp

Solomon Jehoahaz Abraham

Tier: At least Low 6-B, 6-B with Extreme Magic | Low 1-C Key: Human | Higher God Name: Solomon Jehoahaz Abraham, King Solomon Origin: Magi - Labyrinth of Magic Gender: Male Age: 26 at time of death Classification: Human Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: At least Small Country level...

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[KingNanaya]

wow, this helps nothing

 

[OriginFox]

I'll make a crt for it once I have time. I do have a question though, do the servants have 4D resistance or what? Cuz im seeing mfs say 4d while others say 8d while others saying 1-A??

 

[Lynieryz]

wow, this helps nothing

To put it in his words in comparison to him Sinbad is merely "a protagonist of the story" (due to higher gods influence) and he is "the author" (of that story) He even goes as far as to call himself "omnipotent" in comparison to Aladdin's World. There's also scenes where Aladdin himself who was in the Sacred Palace viewed the lower worlds by reading them in stories).

Clairvoyance via Solomon's Wisdom, Information Manipulation (With Solomon's Wisdom Aladdin connects himself to the Sacred Palace which allows him access to all information in the Rukh] even from different universes like Alma Torran)

Non-Physical Interaction, Vector Manipulation, Physics Manipulation (Aladdin through Solomon Wisdom gained the same ability as his father to manipulate the very fabric of reality but he has not mastered it yet)

This ↓ resistance is 5d too

Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (Unaffected by Sinbad rewriting the system of Ruhk, which governs the fate and souls of everyone in the world and altered their minds).

 

[KingNanaya]

I'll make a crt for it once I have time. I do have a question though, do the servants have 4D resistance or what? Cuz im seeing mfs say 4d while others say 8d while others saying 1-A??

it's 4D resistances. gil has a weapon with 1-A hax tho

 

[OriginFox]

it's 4D resistances. gil has a weapon with 1-A hax tho

I thought it was only shiki that had 1-A Haxs?

 

[KingNanaya]

I thought it was only shiki that had 1-A Haxs?

7th holy scripture has the same effects as Shiki's mystic eyes, more or less. it's able to destroy Roa's soul, which is 1-A

 

[OriginFox]

7th holy scripture has the same effects as Shiki's mystic eyes, more or less. it's able to destroy Roa's soul, which is 1-A

Can you link where Gil having 1-A haxs was accepted? Cuz I remember there was a lot of disagreement with the whole 1-A thing only applying for Shiki

 

[KingNanaya]

Can you link where Gil having 1-A haxs was accepted? Cuz I remember there was a lot of disagreement with the whole 1-A thing only applying for Shiki

I can try to find it, but the search function has been weird for me.

 

[KingNanaya]

it is on the profile though, under his weapon list

 

[OriginFox]

it is on the profile though, under his weapon list

Which one mf has like a million weapons

 

[KingNanaya]

Which one mf has like a million weapons

• Should have Ciel's Seventh Holy Scripture that can destroy Roa's soul.

Existence Erasure and Absorption (His soul can pass through the Swirl Of The Root without being erased or absorbed)

• Seventh Holy Scripture: One of the Church’s greatest weapons, a thousand-year-old Conceptual Weapon designed specifically to counter transmigration. It uses the horn of a unicorn, a beast said to consume souls, as a key and is infused with the soul of a deceased girl. It’s old enough to have its own elemental, a young girl named Nanako, who Ciel can manifest through her power. Previously only effective against spiritual entities, Ciel modified it to become a physical weapon, a pile bunker, and a scriptural cannon. When used, it destroys the soul of the target, dispersing it into nothingness. It negates the regeneration of vampires as well.

Nasuverse CRT : additions to Gilgamesh and various Servants

As the title above I would add an abilities for some characters, and this thread has some connection with the previous thread. Without further ado, let's begin with Gilgamesh Damage Boost, Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Mind and Memory Manipulation with...

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[Lynieryz]

Aladdin wins, Gilgamesh is very arrogant and will not take the fight seriously, His default use of GoB is literally a random weapon gacha so there's no point mentioning 1 out of millions of his weapons, Sha Naqba Imuru is passive in the sense that once active it remains active until it is turned off[Just like Yhwach's Almighty] and Gilgamesh usually keeps it turned off[Even if you argue that he had SNI active, that would mean he is too incompetent to use it effectively] , Aladdin only needs to land one attack to know that Gilgamesh is invulnerable[Aladdin knows everything that happens to Rukh even at the atomic level so he would know because of the interaction of his attacks with invulnerability] and then he will use his vector manipulation[Fixing a force with Infinite momentum](the servant's resistance to vector manipulation is literally null in the sense that the feat is vague and gives nothing due to the lack of specification of the force being exerted) to make Gilgamesh wander forever in space.

Conclusion: Aladdin FRA

 

[Nierre]

ugh this is making me wish I continued with my Magi revisions

 

[Jag50]

Aladdin wins.