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TGOALIDThe pen or the sword said:
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Ainz vs Rimuru (LN)
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TGOALID is a skill that augments a spell as no spell can be cast it is useless.
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Ia Shubb-Niggurath also works, since its not magic based
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Anyway, votes?
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La shubb-Niggurath is a overteir spell it doesnt use mana but it is still a spell.
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Yeah, forgot about that, but still, Timestop+Tgoalid would work
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YesGLHF22 said:
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Also, aren't we forgetting about Ainz's resurrection? Wouldnt he use timestop right after he resurrects?
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Grasp Heart is nullified by innate Magic Resistance + Resist Magic (tolerance type skill) + Anti-Magic Mask, even IF Control Magic wouldn't work.
For time stop, even if Ainz opens with it, Rimuru would activate Thought Acceleration at the same time and would be able to undo the "delayed magic" in the very short gap between end of timestop and activation of the delayed spell too.
I agree this is a mismatch. With the AP gap, I don't think it should be added.
Also with the AP gap Rimuru would probably open with Coercion alongside all his amps, since he does this a lot in-character. Ainz would have a short moment of getting affected by Fear (before his emotion reset kicks in), but that short moment would be enough to trigger Rimuru's Unique Skill Mercyless and put Ainz's soul under Rimuru's control.
For time stop, even if Ainz opens with it, Rimuru would activate Thought Acceleration at the same time and would be able to undo the "delayed magic" in the very short gap between end of timestop and activation of the delayed spell too.
I agree this is a mismatch. With the AP gap, I don't think it should be added.
Also with the AP gap Rimuru would probably open with Coercion alongside all his amps, since he does this a lot in-character. Ainz would have a short moment of getting affected by Fear (before his emotion reset kicks in), but that short moment would be enough to trigger Rimuru's Unique Skill Mercyless and put Ainz's soul under Rimuru's control.
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Ainz is actually getting soul manip resistance added later due to some of his feats in the sidestory saying that it doesn't help much here.
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Considering the AP gap and the fact that Rimuru's Soul Manipulation got a potency of working on 4 to 5 digit amount of targets at the same time, I can't help but doubt that Ainz's Resistance will help much. To be fair, I haven't read the Overlord Evileye AU side-story yet, since I wait for it to be completely translated first.
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only the epilouge isn't finished and he resisted, existience erasure and soul destruction on the level of a world class item, even though said attack originated from a form of magic outside of yggdrasil. The same magic that allowed a sword with weak mana to harm ainz its actually interesting as it implies the resistances granted by world class items dont only apply to world class items.
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Soul Destruction =/= Soul Manipulation
The Soul Manipulation page actually mentions that purely interacting with the soul in the manner that Soul Destruction would encompass would just be counted as non-physical interaction.
The Soul Manipulation page actually mentions that purely interacting with the soul in the manner that Soul Destruction would encompass would just be counted as non-physical interaction.
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Ahh my bad still its interesting.
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Yes, resistance against Existence Erasure would be a huge plus for Ainz.
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It was a bit of a sidetrack where I was arguing against ainz getting soul haxed due to an upcoming revision in the future. Saying that I was mistaken and considering the multitudes of ways for slime to win here and the incredibly low possiblity of ainz getting anything off its mostly acedemic at this point.
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ainz would get defeated without even realizing he was defeated .
ainz thought processing is extremely slow compared to rimuru , in vol 5 ainz could barely keep up with shalltear's bloodlustes speed which is stated to be faster than gales . it means even if ainz had the power to destroy the universe by simply snapping his fingers (like thanos) , ainz would get stomped before the synapses in his mind could tell his fingers to snap
ainz thought processing is extremely slow compared to rimuru , in vol 5 ainz could barely keep up with shalltear's bloodlustes speed which is stated to be faster than gales . it means even if ainz had the power to destroy the universe by simply snapping his fingers (like thanos) , ainz would get stomped before the synapses in his mind could tell his fingers to snap
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What happened while i was away today...
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I dont know slimes speed but ainz can react in about 4 milliseconds. Plus this is speed equal...Not that it really matters as pointed out in the above discussion. Ainz win condition is incredibly small here and I still doubt it can work at all so.
celestial we got some new info with the evil eye side story that will grant ainz some new resistances though none of those are any help here.
celestial we got some new info with the evil eye side story that will grant ainz some new resistances though none of those are any help here.
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commenting cause I want to look at this later when I can
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Mate you could have just followed it by going down the overlord general discussion.
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Despair Aura Level 5 (Causes instant Death passively) is a skill, not a spell. It's more specifically a skill of the Overlord class.
So that would work on Rimuru.
Ainz gets 2 chances at this since he has resurrection.
Also IC, Rimuru doesn't immediately use his Black Lightning on an unknown enemy. What? Legit all he's done against unknown foes was start conversations with them to try and avoid conflict. Likewise Ainz would attempt to engage in banter to discern whether or not this unique talking Slime is a player.
No idea where people get that Rimuru actually opens with Black Lightning or something.
So that would work on Rimuru.
Ainz gets 2 chances at this since he has resurrection.
Also IC, Rimuru doesn't immediately use his Black Lightning on an unknown enemy. What? Legit all he's done against unknown foes was start conversations with them to try and avoid conflict. Likewise Ainz would attempt to engage in banter to discern whether or not this unique talking Slime is a player.
No idea where people get that Rimuru actually opens with Black Lightning or something.
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Despair Aura would not work on Rimuru since it only works on weaker opponents and Rimuru got the clear AP advantage here.
Also this key of Rimuru ends during Harvest Festival. In other words his personality from the anime doesn't really matter much. Either way, Rimuru soulhaxes, the end.
Also this key of Rimuru ends during Harvest Festival. In other words his personality from the anime doesn't really matter much. Either way, Rimuru soulhaxes, the end.
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"he is willing to kill so whats different?"
It means that besides being willing to kill, he acts no differently that he does normally. If a character is normally peaceful and/or engages in talk before a battle, being willing to kill doesn't mean they suddenly don't do that. Ainz will still engage in a battle of words prior to a battle of an unknown and Rimuru will try to avoid combat/potentially make allies before resorting to killing.
"in entire anime he almost never willing to kill anyone"
relevance to my post?
"Great sage will tell him to use Black lighting cz ainz is dangerous just like how great sage tell him any attack wont wok on Milim"
"Ring that protects the user from detection by all kinds of divination-type magic."
Great sage won't be able to tell Rimuru anything.
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"Despair Aura would not work on Rimuru since it only works on weaker opponents and Rimuru got the clear AP advantage here."
.... What? Heavy citation needed on it only working on weaker opponents because all it does is gives a chance of passive instant death in an area around him which, in the new world seems to be 100% rather than chance.
And don't even try doing the "Level scales with Resistances" thing because it's long established Resistances are gained and developed through choice and not through levelling.
"Also this key of Rimuru ends during Harvest Festival. In other words his personality from the anime doesn't really matter much. Either way, Rimuru soulhaxes, the end."
... So many whats in one sentence...
It means that besides being willing to kill, he acts no differently that he does normally. If a character is normally peaceful and/or engages in talk before a battle, being willing to kill doesn't mean they suddenly don't do that. Ainz will still engage in a battle of words prior to a battle of an unknown and Rimuru will try to avoid combat/potentially make allies before resorting to killing.
"in entire anime he almost never willing to kill anyone"
relevance to my post?
"Great sage will tell him to use Black lighting cz ainz is dangerous just like how great sage tell him any attack wont wok on Milim"
"Ring that protects the user from detection by all kinds of divination-type magic."
Great sage won't be able to tell Rimuru anything.
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"Despair Aura would not work on Rimuru since it only works on weaker opponents and Rimuru got the clear AP advantage here."
.... What? Heavy citation needed on it only working on weaker opponents because all it does is gives a chance of passive instant death in an area around him which, in the new world seems to be 100% rather than chance.
And don't even try doing the "Level scales with Resistances" thing because it's long established Resistances are gained and developed through choice and not through levelling.
"Also this key of Rimuru ends during Harvest Festival. In other words his personality from the anime doesn't really matter much. Either way, Rimuru soulhaxes, the end."
... So many whats in one sentence...
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Except thats not how death hax work on this site, unless rimuru has reisisted death hax he dies. What are his soul hax as overlord characters already have soul destruction resistance,.
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Im pretty sure he was refering to sba rules on no outside help...
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See didn't know that, though how would the sage know ainz was a threat? he's got some pretty serious anti divination defenses. Question does this key resist death?
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"Laugh at Anlys Milim energy who is far stronger than anything Ainz have"
... What are you even trying to say? Milim doesn't hide her energy and her resting "Casual" energy dwarfs Rimuru's by an insane margin until he becomes a Demon Slime and beyond. What does this have to do with Ainz straight up having no magic to detect, making Great Sage's magicule detection skill worthless to determine if someone is a threat? Someone who has the Talent of detecting latent magic ability thought Ainz straight up wasn't trained in magic at all when he was wearing his ring.
"and? great sage is AI inside Rimuru's Soul"
Irrelevant to my post...?
... What are you even trying to say? Milim doesn't hide her energy and her resting "Casual" energy dwarfs Rimuru's by an insane margin until he becomes a Demon Slime and beyond. What does this have to do with Ainz straight up having no magic to detect, making Great Sage's magicule detection skill worthless to determine if someone is a threat? Someone who has the Talent of detecting latent magic ability thought Ainz straight up wasn't trained in magic at all when he was wearing his ring.
"and? great sage is AI inside Rimuru's Soul"
Irrelevant to my post...?
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