Ainz vs Aqua (Konosuba) Speed Equal

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I was hoping itd be more fair speed equal. Edit I may have been mistaken!

 

[Totally_not_a_water_goddess]

To make it speed equalized and apparently against mortal version of Aqua.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Fine lets go with goddess aqua than as it doesn't seem to be a fight if its mortal key.

edit, wait is this one of those cases where its decisive either way?

 

[Totally_not_a_water_goddess]

Well Aqua is out of Ainz reach if it's goddess version so kinda.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Then Ill stick with mortal aqua.

 

[Totally_not_a_water_goddess]

Then I'd vote Ainz cause I doubt his instant death effect can be interpreted as status effect right?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

As op I shouldn't comment in favor of either side, but this should be fine as its just giving context to a characters abilities. Ainz spels are not a status effect its death hax, ainz thinks death, the spell activates and you drop dead. He can literally think death and activate the spell death.

 

[Totally_not_a_water_goddess]

Then I vote Ainz.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Question about konosuba though, what happens to a god that is killed in there godly form? Like say aqua appeared in this battle in her full god form and ainz used death hax to kill. "Regardless of form she doesn't have death resistance." what happens to her? What happens to the gods in konosuba if they die while in there godly forms?

 

[Totally_not_a_water_goddess]

Well there is no reason to believe a god from Konosuba can leave heaven without a mortal body, since both Aqua and Eris only did it that way but having reality warping and the ability to just casually pick a different destiny to Ainz would make it hard for Ainz to get the kill that being said I don't know what would happen but probably would be sent back to heaven since when people die in Konosuba they don't just stop existing.

 

[Elizhaa]

I vote for AInz FRA especially since Aqua has no resistance to Death Manipulation which is something I honestly thought she would have since Wiz, Vanir, and even weaker monsters have the resistance.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Except that Grasp Heart its not a status effect inducement tho? Its a skill that causes instant death to the target

Grasp Heart: A 9th-tier spell that allows Ainz to remotely grab the heart (or whatever equivalent organ) of an enemy, and crush it, killing them instantly. This even works on dragons and other giant enemies. Despite this, the spell actually achieves its purpose by causing death magically. Furthermore, if the enemy does not instantly die, then the spell activates a strong stun effect. This is said by Ainz to be his favorite spell, and because of the secondary stun effect, it is usually a safe bet to use it first on any enemy that is not obviously immune to instant death.

Deepthought.

Thats the secondary effect only. The primary effect its not a status inducement

 

[PaChi2]

I know, I was just messing with you my boi. @Doom

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

So pachi got a vote?

 

[Gabriel_00]

Wait, actually Aqua should have resistance to death magic and other types of dark magic, her divine aura passively purifies things like demons and lich. She almost purified Wiz by being in contact with her. And didn't she just noped Wiz drain touch?(Episode 8 of the first season)

"Wiz demonstrated this technique to Kazuma by draining Aqua's energy. However, Aqua's sacred energy is toxic to undead creatures like Wiz, with repeated attempts at using Drain Touch on Aqua even causing her to being to fade away."

How is death not a status effect? It doesn't cause damage, it works just like doom from final fantasy but without the countdown or mudo from persona.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Not on her profile

Also , resistance to status effect inducement implies that the target resist some types of harming effects that doesnt outright kill

Ainz kills instantly with Grasp Heart

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

As the op I shouldn't comment but I will here to give pertinent info

Death just kills you, in overlord there is no status effect you drop dead. its considered death manip if you want it be statis effect inducement you'd need a crt and evidence to support your supposed change.

Magic is considered evil in konosuba due to varying levels of curse associated with a spell. Ainz death magic has no such stat thus its not considered evil. While ainz is evil aligned his death spells don't gain a buff due to his negative karma. Though there are spells in overlord that are affected by karmic values, I could see those being considered evil under konosubas rules but death magic lacks a connection to karmic values.

edit: drain touch isn't death manip

 

[Paul_Frank]

Aqua's holy aura is on her profile

It also kinda should nope instant death from Ainz so uh

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah but if she gets close she can one shot with her massive ap advanatge.

 

[Gabriel_00]

Ainz was afraid of fighting shaltear especially because she could use light magic, how can you say that aqua's magic and aura and resistances would not work on him?

And she can negate things like these and it is listed on her profile but under magic absorbsion. And there's evidence of her resisting darkmagic both in the anime and the lightnovels.

Her divine aura would just "puriffy" the darkmagic.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Great, Ainz realizes that GH doesnt work and proceeds to timestop + tgoalid

 

[Paul_Frank]

He literally doesn't do that in character though.

As in he has literally time stopped once or twice in all of his fights and the circumstances were nothing like that

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean, after GH, timestop is his safest bet, since he is way too paranoic. And he would use tgoalid too since he would already know that Aqua resist death magic

 

[Gabriel_00]

And aqua is suposed to be standing still this whole time or what?

And implying that would be his second move.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Ainz uses GH

>Doesnt work. Ainz panics and timestops

>Ainz spam whatever spells he wants

>Aqua tanks all of them cus High 6-C dura and oneshots Ainz

>Ainz ressurects, timestop again, and uses Tgoalid


End

 

[Gabriel_00]

Purification would erase him from existance

Aqua is also bloodlusted against undead

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Ill just throw this out there ainz death magic isn't evil alligned thus isn't negated by aquas holy aura.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Ainz isn't as paranoid as you are making him out to be

In fact he isn't paranoid at all he plays things safe yeah but not paranoid.

Tgoalid nulls resistances but that doesn't matter since Aqua's aura doesn't give her resistance really it moreso just nulls the spell

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ainz is getting resistance to existence erasure btw

 

[Paul_Frank]

Ill just throw this out there ainz death magic isn't evil alligned thus isn't negated by aquas holy aura.

It would be considered evil aligned in Konosuba so it would be nulled

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Nope evil alignment comes from curse in konosuba, nothing about ainz spell is linked to morality. This argument is especially void as there are skills and spells linked to morality in overlord ainz death magic isn't one of them.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ainz isn't as paranoid as you are making him out to be
In fact he isn't paranoid at all he plays things safe yeah but not paranoid.

Tgoalid nulls resistances but that doesn't matter since Aqua's aura doesn't give her resistance really it moreso just nulls the spell

Tgoalid is not a magic spell. Its a skill that comes from the Eclipse-class

 

[Gabriel_00]

Aqua wouldn't erase him right away, she would purify him and then the result of purification would be him getting erased from existance, it's more similar to soul destruction than existance erasure.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Ainz actually has soul destruction resistance at this moment...

 

[Paul_Frank]

All tgoalid does is make any other death spell he uses negate resistance

The spells he uses after tgoalid would be nulled

@pen

If it would be considered evil in konosuba it would be considered evil in matches with konosuba characters that's how verse equal works

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, he resists both

 

[Gabriel_00]

I think the most probable outcome is:

>grasp heart and turn undead at the same time

>grasp heart comes out first

>doesn't work

>turn undead comes out

>ainz gets sent to heaven

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Shush we can't use ee resist until its on the profile!

 

[Gabriel_00]

he is weak to holy magic, he isn't resisting anything

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ainz is getting resistance to soul hax and EE