Ainchase Attack Potency CRT

[BakiHanma18]

Two points to address:

• First Key AP: iirc, Ant asked for this to be changed to unknown on Aisha’s profile (the key reasonings have been mainly copy and pasted or paraphrased from Ainchase’s profile if it applied to the profile in question) because beating a Mountain-sized monster is not a valid feat to be considered for any tier
• Second Key AP: the change from the previous rating was due to two reasons primarily: *Solace could create a pocket dimension the size of a country, (edit: link added) but said dimensions had within innumerable stars, meaning it wouldn’t be country level via size, but (edit: link added) MSS via it containing multiple solar systems. Furthermore, the El Explosion cannot be used to scale, as El Masters, who are substantially weaker than El itself, are much stronger than Elsword’s second key and as strong as Elsword’s third key. Ainchase’s second key was changed via being superior yet still comparable to the other playable characters as of the second key. The El Explosion’s actual power was found to be too vague to use as reasoning, as it has statements that loosely indicate Multiversal power.

*Note: One thing to point out is that Solace creating the pocket reality with the black sun and numerous stars and the similar feat he does on his Master Road are unrelated to the whole "recreating past Elrianode to make Elsword see my memories" thing, IE the Country-sized pocket dimension

 

[Rikimarox2]

I obviously agree.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Good stuff, I’ll wait for two more knowledgeable members to comment, and I’ll ask 3 staff to comment

 

[BakiHanma18]

Alright, I’ve messaged 3 staff members. Hopefully they get around to this sooner rather than later

 

[SamanPatou]

I know nothing of Elsword, thus I can't give opinions on the scaling.

Unknown seems good.

About the dimension, general ap should be good, but to scale it to other statistics and actual attacks (and thus other characters) you have to be sure that the energy/power used to create said dimension can be also used to power blows, attacks, stats etc. (there's an unfinished (or at least I remember it being unfinished) about how to handle the creation of these dimensions.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I know nothing of Elsword, thus I can't give opinions on the scaling.

Unknown seems good.

About the dimension, general ap should be good, but to scale it to other statistics and actual attacks (and thus other characters) you have to be sure that the energy/power used to create said dimension can be also used to power blows, attacks, stats etc. (there's an unfinished (or at least I remember it being unfinished) about how to handle the creation of these dimensions.

Okay, thank you for advising and dropping in

 

[Armorchompy]

If you know what the mountain-sized monster was like you can calc its GPE.

 

[BakiHanma18]

If you know what the mountain-sized monster was like you can calc its GPE.

I’ll have to look into it and possibly make a new CRT, as I’d have to figure out if the original AP creator was referring to the Chaos Leviathan or some other Leviathan (it only says “the Leviathan, a monster that's as big as a mountain”), then I’d have to get the scale from the PCs or something comparable, and finally, I’d have to get it calc’d.

Edit: Thoughts on the rest?

 

[Tsubasa16]

About the dimension, general ap should be good, but to scale it to other statistics and actual attacks (and thus other characters) you have to be sure that the energy/power used to create said dimension can be also used to power blows, attacks, stats etc. (there's an unfinished (or at least I remember it being unfinished) about how to handle the creation of these dimensions.

Most characters in the verse share the same power source (The El, which is also further divided into the Elemental Els) which is the primary energy that they use to perform and power their attacks and abilities aside from purely physical stuff (tho it can also be used to empower physical stats), so the energy Solace uses to create the pocket reality logically should also be able to be used to powers his actual attacks and such.

 

[Armorchompy]

I have no idea about stuff like that without context so I'll wait for now.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Okay, I’ve not been able to find anything concrete for info on the monster referenced, so unfortunately for now, the first keys will have to stay as Unknown, however, as for the other changes, I believe with agreement of 2 staff members and 2 knowledgeable verse members, we should be okay implementing the changes for Ainchase, agreed?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Well this thread died, bump.

 

[XDragnoir]

Shouldn't this be applied to Ain's profile?

 

[BakiHanma18]

Bump?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I think we can applied the CRT now, it has'nt been added for too long

 

[Tsubasa16]

Well i could edit the Ain's profile to apply it, specially since as of now he is the only one that still has the old ratings for 1st and 2nd key from all the profiles that were posted thus far so i don't think there should be any issue on changing it to match the others if i link this thread to the edit.

Also considering Add's Mad Paradox path was allowed to straight up have the 2-A tier, there probably should be a CRT made for Herrscher to have it too since he is superior to Mad Paradox.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, i think that should do it

As for 2-A level for Herrscher, that make sense so why not?

 

[Tsubasa16]

Will be doing that then.

In the case of a CRT for Ain to get straight up 2-A instead of "likely", would probably use what i said in this thread (which no other people decided to manifest lol) regarding his tier to explain it, plus what is mentioned on Mad Paradox's profile. Worse case scenario is that Add's profile would be changed to match Ain's rating instead.