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Ahzek Ahriman vs Kharn the Betrayer

Ahriman is better against almost any possible opponent than Kharn is.

The difference is against people like Kharn himself, where Ahriman is suddenly put at a massive disadvantage due to most of his powers doing absolutely dick against someone who is the walking mortal avatar for a god that isn't too keen on Ahriman's god.

This is a fight he'd be extremely unlikely to win, but one he's almost certainly be smart enough (coupled with his precog) to not even get into or stick around, in the first place. Assuming this fight has started, the answer is almost certainly "Ahriman BFRs himself so he doesn't have to deal with this".
 
I guess? It's kind of like putting Ahriman in the worst possible fight he could be in, though. I don't think his precog would allow him to just out-fight Kharn or something either, since his blessing seems to negate certain extrasensory modes of perception.
 
Story wise, I could see Tzeentch interfering if this was to ever happen , and he's slightly stronger than khorne. Assuming that Tzeentch doesn't help out, Ahriman probably just doesn't get into this fight in the first place, or self BFRs as azzy said, technically a win for Kharn. Ahriman can normally punch way above his weight and beat stuff Kharn could only dream of, like when he incinerated a solar system, extrenely casually destroyed a bunch of Titans, and even defeated the Yncarne and only lost out there due to Yvraine being a dick and not keeping her promise, he's also in Kharn's niche. He's not helpless in close combat, far from it, but he's specialized in magic the same way Kharn's specialized in normal weapons, and his mrlee doesn't null durability. This is like the whole "anti meta vs meta" discussion that was going on in the strongest character thread. Kharn via Ahriman self BFRing, since we can't assume Tzeentch will help out.
 
To be fair though, tzeentch did step in when Magnus was about to kill him, and Magnus obviously has the favor of Tzeentch.
 
Wokistan said:
Story wise, I could see Tzeentch interfering if this was to ever happen , and he's slightly stronger than khorne.
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Other way around, unless we're talking about the "original Tzeentch", who may or may not have been as strong as the myths say.
 
Tzeentch is weaker now than he used to be because supposedly the other 3 chaos gods ganged up on him to cripple him for being way too strong. I'm fairly sure he's still superior to Nurgle and Slaaneesh, though I thought Khorne was only outright stronger in Fantasy. Tzeentch could get his old power back by fixing his staff, but that won't happen due to Tzeentch deliberately not equipping any of his minions with the capacity to find all the pieces.
 
@Phoenix

There was apparently an original form of Tzeentch at the very "beginning" of the Warp who was superior to all three other main gods. He was so powerful that Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh united against him, shattering a large portion of his magical essence across all of reality, reducing him to the state he's in, now.

We know that Tzeentch does seem to be "missing" parts of his essence/various spells, which is why the Blue Scribes exist, but we don't know how much of this legend is true and how much is a legend, especially due to the nature of the Warp and the fact that there is no true causality, there. Combined with Tzeentch's nature, said story could very well be both the truth and a lie simultaneously, just as Tzeentch is both "Tzeentch" and also "not Tzeentch".
 
Tzeentch's sphere of influence, at least through his geas, seems more all encompassing than Khorne's does though. Khorne's just war, which is a constant in this setting, but general change would let Tzeentch become stronger through that as well as a lot of other stuff. Ireelivant here, since we don't assume he's helping Ahriman though.
 
That is part of his nature, yes. But it's less about "strength" and more about subtle influence, which has always been one of Tzeentch's primary fields. Especially considering he apparently has seemingly contradictory plans that span across all of time.
 
Half the time he's planning against himself, so Khorne having more practical might would make sense there. Are the two still comparable, with Khorne having the edge, or is Khorne a clear winner in that aspect? IIRC none of the 40k main 4 chaos gods can outright stomp one another.
 
Games workshop forgot about Malal
 
inb4 he IS complete Ynnead

It would provide an explanation on why Ynnead's able to stomp Slaanesh, considering why the others don't like him.
 
C.S. Goto has Yneead get raped to death by kids with sticks

That's a thing that happened to an Aeldari tank crew, after their tank was broken down by the kids throwing rocks at it. What even
 
Yeah, he had a bunch of high up eldar randomly being pledged to slaan for no reason, among other things. Goto seems to hate the eldar. I can't remember if it was him or matt waid who had a bunch of grey knights butcher sister's of battle and wear their flesh as armor though.
 
Speaking of Ward,

inb4 Ynnead gets killed casually by Kaldor Draigo

Regardless of the rather anticlimactic end, this is a legit match, so we should probably stop detailing at some point.
 
Wokistan said:
Speaking of Ward,

inb4 Ynnead gets killed casually by Cato Secarious or however it's spelled
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Seems legit

Anyways Ahriman BFRs.... Himself.
 
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