AFO Shigaraki vs Meruem(7-B)

[CyborgSakumo]

That thread barely has enough input, not to mention, do you really think Meruem wouldn't think Shigaraki is weaker than him? He's the king, and shigaraki lacks any kind of nen, so he'd just release it.

Also, can you give me the instances of non-nen users resisting Nen crush? I don't really recall any other than maybe when Meruem released his En.

Also, Hisoka was able to fear both Killua and Gon by simply thinking.

Oh, and, I made a thread asking if simply resisting his fear manip will make you resist his other stuff, so, maybe its better we wait till that is answered?

Rammot pre awakening vs Killua and Gon who we were both clearly using ren

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wasn't it because his nodes were opened? Pretty sure his Nen nodes were literally opened when he encountered them, which is why he awakened later. At least, that's how I remember it. Probably wrong, but eh.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

No his nodes were only opened after they attacked him and hit him with a nen power attack which is what awakened the nodes, the didn't open before evidenced by how when killua and gon started to use ren he couldn't see the nen he just felt felt they got stronger HXH chapter 191.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Ah, then idk tbh. Theres the hisoka incident, pitou one, and poufs one. We can either disregard this feat, since it might have to do with him being a chimera ant, or that he didn't notice this power before because he was injured.

Either way, is there are other incident where it didn't work on non nen users?

 

[CyborgSakumo]

In each case you mentioned the other character was vastly stronger than the one who was using nen crush this is very different tomura is physically comparable to Meruem and has supernatural willpower to resist his fear manipulation(In the case of pouf ,Meruem was simply stronger than him so his nen was weaker it's that simple that's not the case with someone physically comparable to him and has the willpower to resist it), and has his own. It's heavily unlikely nen crush would work on him at all.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Their nen was simply higher. That's literally it. I highly doubt it has anything to do with physical strength, and besides, shigaraki lacks nen and Meruem is indeed stronger than him.

Stronger characters naturally have higher nen, it really ain't nothing special. In this case, Shigaraki completely lacks nen.

Hell, even if we disregard the nen crush argument, Meruem should still be able to win due to being able to fly, and having higher ap than his Durability. Not to mention the immense skill gap.

 

[Rez]

The only way to counter hax is through resistances Shigaraki doesn't have a resistance to madness manipulation or fear manipulation so he loses here strength is irrelevant unless the series states it to be so and meruem can fear and madness hax people with nen so yeah Shigaraki can't do anything here

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Supernatural Willpower works as fear resistance, so Shigaraki has resistance, the AP/Dur Gap isn't large and Shigaraki has High-Mid Regen with vastly higher stamina and decay is a one touch kill.

 

[Rez]

Supernatural Willpower works as fear resistance, so Shigaraki has resistance, the AP/Dur Gap isn't large and Shigaraki has High-Mid Regen with vastly higher stamina and decay is a one touch kill.

Supernatural Willpower is not enough meruem can fear hax people who have actual resistances

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yeah, he has resistances. But so do other nen users (IIRC). They are able to resist nen crush due to having their own nen, and Meruem literally made people with nen afraid and thinking he could beat anyone with sheer nen quantity, and aged one of them half a century due to stress.

I'm really not seeing the supernatural willpower doing shit against Meruem. Voting Meruem due to nen crush, if its not a stomp, of course.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Supernatural Willpower works as fear resistance, so Shigaraki has resistance, the AP/Dur Gap isn't large and Shigaraki has High-Mid Regen with vastly higher stamina and decay is a one touch kill.

Also, did he ever resist any fear manipulating abilities? IIRC, simply having Supernatural Willpower doesn't really mean you can resist fear manip or mind manip. It depends on its showcase.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Comparable to All might who's willpower allowed him to resist AFO's fear manipulation who gives people the image of death, and he himself resisted stain's fear manipulation who scared people far stronger than him.

 

[Rikimarox2]

That last one probably should've been on the profile then. Unless it was social influencing or smth.

Also, why is he comparable to all might? Is there any statement that shows he is comparable to all might in terms of will power? If so, can you post the scan?

 

[CyborgSakumo]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chizome_Akaguro(Stain's profile)
Deku compared his presence to AFO(MHA chapter 275) , and shigaraki resisted against AFO's mental influence(MHA chapter 277) who should be comparable. Stain's presence was stated to be comparable to all might (MHA chapter 62) who shigaraki resisted.

 

[Rikimarox2]

That is in no way similar to having will power similar to All might. We need an actual scan. Unless I'm misreading or something, but having similar presence isn't enough to say they have similar willpower.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Ok here's a direct scan for you chapter 287, Shigaraki's willpower(or rage) allowed him to infringe on the World of OFA and begin to take OFA's power which AFO was incapable of doing and it was capable of fighting against the wills of all the other previous OFA users. (The only reason he couldn't take it was because of his body being incomplete at the time).