Adding Boboiboy Ability and Tier Upgrade

[Greatsage13th]

I would also like to point out that Kasa amped himself with BoBoiBoy's quake element prior to the fight so we wasn't totally outmatched.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Retakka wasn't even damaged by the 2 attacks

Yaya and Fang's attack knocked him out of Voltra and he was wiping the side of his face where he was punched. Heck, they technically did more damage than when using ArmoBot

You can hear a very clear yell when Yaya uppercutted him into the air. She clearly harmed him to some degree

I would also like to point out that Kasa amped himself with BoBoiBoy's quake element prior to the fight so we wasn't totally outmatched.

Hang Kasa was taking back the element that he almost entirely lost. Quake and Crystal fall under the same category of element, just that BBB only unlocked Quake but Crystal was still locked

 

[DigDig09]

Sooo...how should we proceed about this?
I just wanna get this done already.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Sooo...how should we proceed about this?
I just wanna get this done already.

I asked @Sir_Ovens to give input. Let's wait for his response

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yaya and Fang's attack knocked him out of Voltra and he was wiping the side of his face where he was punched. Heck, they technically did more damage than when using ArmoBot

You can hear a very clear yell when Yaya uppercutted him into the air. She clearly harmed him to some degree

Let's be honest. This is starting to enter the same scaling chain issues like One Piece.

How about putting those as outliers. Giving Hang Kasa and armobot amps "at most" and give BoBoiBoy and Retakka solid high 6-A.

Hang Kasa was taking back the element that he almost entirely lost. Quake and Crystal fall under the same category of element, just that BBB only unlocked Quake but Crystal was still locked

I know

 

[DigDig09]

Let's be honest. This is starting to enter the same scaling chain issues like One Piece.

How about putting those as outliers. Giving Hang Kasa and armobot amps "at most" and give BoBoiBoy and Retakka solid high 6-A.

Yeah if not this gonna be full on debate. Again

 

[DigDig09]

I asked @Sir_Ovens to give input. Let's wait for his response

That gonna take a while for SirOvens to respond

 

[DigDig09]

Beside I think he been out for quite a while base on his comment wall.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I would also like to point out Retakka had a Zettaton feat via planetary absorbing of rimbara.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

How about putting those as outliers.

If it was just one feat, then sure. But the fact that there are two of them makes me iffy

I would also like to point out Retakka had a Zettaton feat via planetary absorbing of rimbara.

I only see the 7-A and High 6-A calcs accepted by M3X

 

[DigDig09]

If it was just one feat, then sure. But the fact that there are two of them makes me iffy

I only see the 7-A and High 6-A calcs accepted by M3X

Well yeah because he the only one available.
Other don't response sadly.

 

[Greatsage13th]

If it was just one feat, then sure. But the fact that there are two of them makes me iffy

You wouldn't really call hang kasa an outlier tho tbh with you.

I only see the 7-A and High 6-A calcs accepted by M3X

As in you can find biomass absorbtion feats of earth sized planets done already and they all come at a few Zettatons

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

You wouldn't really call hang kasa an outlier tho tbh with you.

Hang Kasa's only feats and scaling come from Retakka, so of course it can't be an outlier

 

[DigDig09]

Hang Kasa's only feats and scaling come from Retakka, so of course it can't be an outlier

So it should be Boboiboy, Retakka and Hang Kasa who get High 6-A.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So it should be Boboiboy, Retakka and Hang Kasa who get High 6-A.

Yaya and Fang's Shadow Bear together could harm amped Retakka Voltra and knock him out of that form, then Yaya by herself also harms him and knocks him into the air

 

[Greatsage13th]

It could be because he did that on purpose just to transform into balak from a time economic standpoint. Also the scene at the very end of the movie was after he had been significantly depowered by ochobot's power absorbtion.

 

[DigDig09]

They not really defeat him more to helping Boboiboy. You say it yourself "knock him out of his form". At that time, Ying use her slowmo power so Yaya have the chance to knock him in the air. His element also got absord by ochobot at that time. In the end, Boboiboy the one that did most of the damage and ultimately defeat Retakka in that final fight. So they should be put "at most" or lower than the 3 of them.

Beside, M3X already say it fine to use H6-A so it should be implement. Even if you feel iffy about it.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

At that time

Ying was being attacked and outsped by Retakka before Yaya and Fang came in to punch him out of his Voltra form

Ying use her slowmo power so Yaya have the chance to knock him in the air

Slow-mo doesn't decrease Retakka's durability

His element also got absord by ochobot at that time

Only Crystal

In the end, Boboiboy the one that did most of the damage and ultimately defeat Retakka in that final fight

Never denied this. Though this was via his fusions only

M3X already say it fine to use H6-A

M3X just accepted the calc's math. What I'm iffy about is the fact that there aren't any other accepted calcs on that level

 

[Greatsage13th]

M3X accepted the calc's math. What I'm iffy about is the fact that there aren't any other accepted feats on that level

5-B exists https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...orption_of_the_biomass_of_a_planet_like_Earth

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I would also like to point out Retakka had a Zettaton feat via planetary absorbing of rimbara.

5-B exists https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...orption_of_the_biomass_of_a_planet_like_Earth

Retak'ka absorbed the energy of only one forest. We can see in the space shot that Rimbara is almost completely unaffected

It seems like Retak'ka has absorbed the energy of this forest to strengthen his darkwood elemental power

 

[Greatsage13th]

Retak'ka absorbed the energy of only one forest. We can see in the space shot that Rimbara is almost completely unaffected

oof. god damnit.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Actually, now that I rewatch the Gurlatan scene, there is clearly still rain and lightning and thunder after Retak'ka's assault, so he definitely didn't absorb all of the planet's elemental energy or there wouldn't still be a storm ongoing when Kaizo and Fang visited

I did not calculate the thunderstorm rather the byproduct of the thunderstorm.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I did not calculate the thunderstorm rather the byproduct of the thunderstorm.

The amount of energy that was absorbed from the batteries that contained the energy absorbed from the thunderstorm assuming that it had begun since 200000 years ago (the year humans began to evolve)

1. Where is it said that the towers contain energy from the thunderstorm?
2. Why assume a timeframe from when humans began to evolve?

 

[Greatsage13th]

1. Where is it said that the towers contain energy from the thunderstorm?

Because Retakka absorbed the energies from those batteries.

1. Why assume a timeframe from when humans began to evolve?

It's a logical assumption

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Because Retakka absorbed the energies from those batteries.

Doesn't mean they contain energy from the thunderstorm. Unless there's something I'm missing, all I can tell is that the batteries just contain electrical energy, no relation to the storm is ever stated or implied

It's a logical assumption

What logic?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Doesn't mean they contain energy from the thunderstorm. Unless there's something I'm missing, all I can tell is that the batteries just contain electrical energy, no relation to the storm is ever stated or implied

Essentially, the towers you told me about are just rods used to gather energy from the ceaseless storm covering half of the planet. Otherwise the movie wouldn't refer to planer Gur'latan as "Pusat Tenaga Electric" essentially the Center of Electrical Energy.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Essentially, the towers you told me about are just rods used to gather energy from the ceaseless storm covering half of the planet.

Or they could be something else entirely. We have practically zero canon information about those towers or what they do, just that Retak'ka absorbed electrical energy from them.

Otherwise the movie wouldn't refer to planer Gur'latan as "Pusat Tenaga Electric" essentially the Center of Electrical Energy.

It can still be called that without those towers drawing energy from the storm

 

[Greatsage13th]

Or they could be something else entirely. We have practically zero canon information about those towers or what they do, just that Retak'ka absorbed electrical energy from them.

It can still be called that without those towers drawing energy from the storm

Occam's razor says otherwise. Simplify the stuff instead of overcomplicating it. Besides compared we have a bigger outlier compared to High 6-A Boboiboy

 

[Greatsage13th]

Look, if it really comes down to it. We could just scale Boboiboy and Retakka to High 6-A and no one else to it.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Occam's razor says otherwise. Simplify the stuff instead of overcomplicating it.

By making up information that isn't stated anywhere in canon

 

[Greatsage13th]

By making up information that isn't stated anywhere in canon

Occam's razor is not defined as making stuff up. It's defined as choosing the easiest and most obvious straightforward option.

If for example there was a powerstation located in a dam. By Occam's razor, it suggests it uses water currents to generate electricity. We wouldn't say it uses fossil fuels to generate electricity just because it doesn't specify what kind of power station it is.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

It's defined as choosing the easiest and most obvious straightforward option.

Which in this case is making up info about the towers that the actual movie itself never ever stated

 

[Greatsage13th]

Which in this case is making up info about the towers that the actual movie itself never ever stated

You'll need evidence that proves otherwise.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

You'll need evidence that proves otherwise.

You'll need to provide actual explicit canon information that the towers are what you say they are

 

[Greatsage13th]

You'll need to provide actual explicit canon information that the towers are what you say they are

You don't need to when its something very clear-cut. Why you of all people would be facing this problem?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Retak'ka absorbed the energy of only one forest. We can see in the space shot that Rimbara is almost completely unaffected

If absorbing the energy of one forest that barely did anything to the planet gave Retak'ka Darkwood a noticeable power boost, I don't see how the energy that Retak'ka Voltra absorbed could be that much greater when Hang Kasa held his own against the latter and survived a giant hammer swing from the former while already damaged

 

[Greatsage13th]

If absorbing the energy of one forest that barely did anything to the planet gave Retak'ka Darkwood a noticeable power boost, I don't see how the energy that Retak'ka Voltra absorbed could be that much greater when Hang Kasa held his own against the latter and survived a giant hammer swing from the former while already damaged

It's a common thing in fiction where something that yields less in calculations would overpower something that yields more. For example the 6-C calc for boboiboy assumes that the glacier and the meteor are equal despite the fact that the glacier yields less energy compared to the meteor.

We can't really expect them to follow the laws of physics all the time.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

For example the 6-C calc for boboiboy assumes that the glacier and the meteor are equal despite the fact that the glacier yields less energy compared to the meteor.

Because the meteor and iceberg comes from BBB's own powers and the attacks are clearly depicted as comparable to each other. Voltra and Darkwood are taking energy from outside sources, so I'm not buying that Darkwood could absorb similar High 6-A levels of energy but only from one forest and not do anything to the rest of the planet

 

[Greatsage13th]

Because the meteor and iceberg comes from BBB's own powers and the attacks are clearly depicted as comparable to each other. Voltra and Darkwood are taking energy from outside sources, so I'm not buying that Darkwood could absorb similar High 6-A levels of energy but only from one forest and not do anything to the rest of the planet

I...already disagreed with the 5-B via balak absorption just now.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I...already disagreed with the 5-B via balak absorption just now.

Not 5-B. I'm saying that Voltra and Darkwood are clearly still comparable to each other even after absorbing elemental energies, but the latter absorbing high 6-A levels would suggest that Darkwood is absorbing that level of energy too, especially given that the power boost is much more noticeable and blatantly shown for the latter. Except that the power boost only drained one forest and hardly affected the planet

But whatever. At this point, I'm too tired to continue arguing and I feel like I might be getting delirious. I'll just say I'm neutral, leaning to disagree

I'm perfectly fine with the volcano calc, though, and upscaling some characters like Kaizo to Mountain level+