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Alright. I'll trust LuckyEmile on this one and consider the MP5 stuff more legitimate then.
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I believe the Shadow Queen has been pretty unanimously disagreed with, The Dream Depot and King Olly probably needs more detailsSo what are the conclusions here so far?
When something is hyperbolic, it is something that does not make sense under any circumstance. Bowser scales to the main cast who is already tier 2, namely Mario. The fact that he scales to him and others is a feat already. So why does Bowser destroying universes by himself sound hyperbolic when he is consistently shown to scale to that energy? How is it not a valid interpretation? You also said artifacts and devices is how he got his feats but how is that even relevant? The base Bowser is already tier 2 regardless of amps.Ask for MP5, as many others have stated, it seems to fall more into corruption or Bowser just causing mayhem. We don't know how Bowser is going to achieve it and most of his Tier 2 feats primarily consists of the use of artifacts or devices. With no coherent explanation on his plan and having no feats prior, it's only natural to go with it being a hyperbolic description of what actually is going to happen.
What is the context behind this? Folding the fabric of reality is vague and unquantifiable on its own. Is this happening on a universal scale? And what does folding entail in this scenario?King Olly, has the power to passively fold the fabric of reality (which is space-time)
Re-look at the text just a bit longer in the video.I don't see any mention of folding the "world" in the video. They just said folding the "fabric of reality".
It's in the same scene as to where he states fabric of reality.The fact stars like the sun and such are included definitely makes me lean towards "World" being the universe here.
I suppose to help everyone it would be nice to have the screenshot or timestamp of when the world statement happens.
The feats from Mario Party 5 and The Origami King seem to be generally accepted after bringing up the translations and extra context. More input wouldn't hurt, however.So what should we do here then?
LuckyEmile made a post with translations and such as to why it can't be corruption from both the in-game text and the story.I'm still not sold on using the Mario Party 5 example; I still feel like it's a prep time feat with corruption most likely. But the Origami King feat is fine to me.
Isn't that only with prep, though?
That Low 2-C is exclusively from Grand Star scaling (Which is iffy because the Prima Guides are iffy) and has nothing to do with destroying dream worlds.Bowser
Bowser before engaging in a fightSHOWTIME!!! Bowser, sometimes known as King Koopa (Japanese: 大魔王クッパ, Daimaō Kuppa or "Great Demon King Koopa"), is the main antagonist of the Mario series and the King of the Koopas. He has repeatedly kidnapped or attempted to kidnap Princess Peach and take over...vsbattles.fandom.com
Tier: At least 4-A, likely Low 2-C
I will argue this here to prevent derailment.
You liked to the thread we're on.
Bowser has 2 Low 2-C durability feats in Sammer Kingdom and the Grand Star generator blowing up in his faceThat Low 2-C is exclusively from Grand Star scaling (Which is iffy because the Prima Guides are iffy) and has nothing to do with destroying dream worlds.
Yes we know. But Bowser has Low 2-C power output in base, so it's valid either way. It's possible for him to destroy the dream worlds entirely.That Low 2-C is exclusively from Grand Star scaling (Which is iffy because the Prima Guides are iffy) and has nothing to do with destroying dream worlds.
also this was by accident lol
Alright, Super Paper Mario and Grand Star scaling. Still no MP5 stuff, unless I misinterpreted vert's words.Bowser has 2 Low 2-C durability feats in Sammer Kingdom and the Grand Star generator blowing up in his face
It... doesn't matter if there's no Mario Party 5 stuff. He has the energy required to destroy universes. It is entirely valid to say he can because he has the tier in the first place. And he isn't using an artifact, it's just him and only him. The only way this isn't a valid interpretation is if Bowser isn't Low 2-C and therefore he can't affect the space time continuum of a dream.Alright, Super Paper Mario and Grand Star scaling. Still no MP5 stuff, unless I misinterpreted vert's words.
This isn't on the profiles yet, but Mario already scales to Power Star Bowser, so Base Bowser downscales from Mario even during this old time period. This was accepted on the previous thread, but Blaze wanted to discuss scaling and other feats first before adding it.Technically speaking all the Uni feats happened after MP5 expect for Wario World’s Black Jewel, which will be moved, i believe there was evidence Mario and Bowser get stronger each game?, so using future feats to support past ones may be a bit shakey
Like I said, Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity are different things. Having Universal AP =/= The ability to destroy a universe.It... doesn't matter if there's no Mario Party 5 stuff. He has the energy required to destroy universes. It is entirely valid to say he can because he has the tier in the first place. And he isn't using an artifact, it's just him and only him. The only way this isn't a valid interpretation is if Bowser isn't Low 2-C and therefore he can't affect the space time continuum of a dream.