Acnologia vs Straw Hat Pirates

[Akuto_Sai12]

Mach 400 ? That's pretty low end high end was MHS+ and either way it was performed by half powered dragons whom Acnologia already killed

Tenrou island is small? Based off of calcs for still frames which aren't even drawn consistently? K...

Luffy is small island probably higher in G4

Igneel is probably At least small island Unknown but likely much higher in his prime

So yes the stats suggest that Luffy is inferior to prime Igneel.

 

[Omega998]

1.luffy don't have dragon force so damage luffy will give to accnologia is almost like damage mard geer take from df natsu .

2.it should be noted that Acnologia was weakened by Face

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait, Luffy is stronger than Doffy? But isn't it accepted on this site that Doffy beats Acno? For the record, accepted speed calc here is like Mach 246 or something like that. I didn't check in a while so I may be off by a little or a mile.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Wait, Luffy is stronger than Doffy? But isn't it accepted on this site that Doffy beats Acno? For the record, accepted speed calc here is like Mach 246 or something like that. I didn't check in a while so I may be off by a little or a mile.

Luffy is stronger than Doffy in G4, which has a time limit. I'm pretty sure that Doffy is stronger than Base Luffy.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Omega -- It has been stated that Dragons have resistance to magic (correct me if i'm wrong... been reading lots of dragon-related material lately). Dragon slaying magic is a counter measure for that immunity. They don't have special resistance to physical power.

@The real cal howard -- Doflamingo beat Acnologia due to his DF ability being perfect for someone of Acnologia's size (Spider web and Bird cage restricts Acnologia's movement considerably) and the fact that he has a severe environmental advantage with his awakening (and also having slightly superior stats due to being Small Island+... though both were Mountain level during the time they fought... but upgraded to similar tiers so it doesn't matter).

Luffy has no such advantages, but he has superior speed, AP and Dura especially in G4, which @NotEvenHuman lasts for over 20 minutes: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/785/9 ( the page is immediately after Doflamingo awakened his fruit while Luffy was in Gear 4th... "20 minutes later"), but yes, Doflamingo is stronger than Base Luffy especially given he was still capable of outmatching him with relative mid-difficulty after his organs were blown up by Law (he tanked numerous blows from Luffy for about 3 chapters after nearly being killed by Law and he still whittled Luffy down considerably).

I know that the crew wouldn't be able to hurt Acnologia, but their ability to distract him--even for a split second--could result in Luffy landing a strong blow or even cripple Acnologia.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Akuto -- you're denying the scalings, so i am done arguing with you. the speed calc for MHS+ was not even for Acnologia himself. Refer to Luffy's profile Small Island = Base. Higher = Gear 4th. You're too lazy to go and read stats...*clap*

 

[Omega998]

physical power? Kagura can't scratch dragon at all while cobra can(not really sure i guess cobra was weaker than kagura at this time)

 

[CinCameron20]

Kagura is Town level, isn't she (vs at least City level dragons)? Cobra uses Dragon Slaying magic.

Also, i'm pretty certain she uses magic to amplify her sword's power. She's a mage, afterall.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Likely much higher > likely higher

Whatever you say

 

[Omega998]

1.Who know it never said it 2.i don't know who said this but it said i can't believe she make kagura use magic(gravity) i have trouble to find right now cos i use mobile if you have free time can you check kaguta vs yukino

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@CinCameron Why would Acno be distracted by Building to City level attacks? Laxus was Large Town level at Tenrou, and was doing no damage, despite being a Dragon Slayer. Gildarts was Small City, he got fodderized off-screen. Acno can straight up ignore every single Straw Hat except the Monster Trio, and it won't even make a difference.

Speaking of the Monster Trio, Zoro and Sanji get the God Serena treatment. Luffy is literally the only relevant member of the Straw Hats in this fight. No one else can do anything to Acno, be it distracting him, or actually doing damage. Heck, their presence in this fight is actually a bad thing for Luffy, because he'd have to protect them in certain situations (like if Acno decides to nuke the area). He would be the one getting distracted by them, not Acno.

The high end for that MHS+ feat you guys are talking about is not accepted, for some reason. The accepted result is MHS. And the feat was done by half-dead dragons that would probably get stomped by Acno. And he already beat them in their prime anyway.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Notevenhuman

True about the crew (though I believe that Zoro and Sanji's tier should scale closer to Luffy's especially since Zoro pulled out 12MT + a combo afterwards without Asura)... this should be changed to just Luffy vs Acnologia. But Gildarts is small city when he should be much higher given his hype and that he did say that Acnologia fought him with more seriousness than he did when playing around with FT.

Either way, I see Luffy being able to defeat Acnologia 1 v 1 with the use of Gear 4th. He'd already stand a good chance without it given their similar stats.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Luffy vs Acno is already a thread.

 

[CinCameron20]

Then why does this one exist lololol

• goes to other thread*

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Tenrou Gildarts being Small City comes from his fight against Bluenote, but i do agree that he should be higher by now. He just lacks quantifiable feats.

I don't know about Zoro and Sanji being scaled to Luffy, but there's already a Luffy vs Acno thread, although it doesn't have as much replies as this one.

Luffy vs Acno can go either way imo.

 

[CinCameron20]

@NotEvenHuman

Zoro did apply a 12 MT attack and a combination of attacks that can be comparable to his initial strike immediately after and proceeded to one-shot a haki-clad Pika, which should be city level scaling to Diamante and Trebol. He has also never shown use of Asura as of yet, but that multiplies his AP by at least 3 times... He is at least City+, possibly Mountain when taking that alone into consideration... He is Mountain if you scale him to Luffy, who he should not be that much weaker than.

Luffy has slight edges in most categories... moderate in speed. I find his victory more likely.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

12 MT is very low into City level. Mountain level starts at 100 MT.

 

[CinCameron20]

I know. I'm saying that Zoro applied 12 MT and continued a combination attack afterwards and proceeded to one-shot Pika. That was done without Asura. I'm saying that he is very likely to be at least City+ if we just look at that alone and potentially Mountain.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Wait, the 12 MT attack wasn't the one that one-shotted Pika? Huh. I was paying less attention then i thought i was when i read that.

 

[CinCameron20]

12 MT feat = when Zoro initially struck Pika's statue and lifted the upper half. He then jumped back and slashed the upper half into two (which is fairly comparable to his initial strike) and then he used a combination of nearly a dozen strikes to destroy the arm. That's when Pika came out and Zoro used his last strike to one-shot a haki-clad Pika, who should be city level in durability scaling his normal durability to Diamante, who is likely Town+~Large Town from his shown feats against Kyros.

Zoro was briefly out of breath as a result but was perfectly fine the next chapter before he ran off to deal with the Bird Cage.

I stand by Zoro being City+ at least, but due to lack of feats with Asura, I can't say he is Mountain unless we scale him to Luffy, which makes sense, but shouldn't justify Zoro jumping up a tier.

 

[Omega998]

City saiz but have stone durability It like natsu before everyone said ikatsunagi(not sure) have low durability

 

[CinCameron20]

Pika was clad in haki and Zoro easily pierced it.