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Accelerator's Post-headshot key

no, i just know how physic works, can out source energy, but he has to take it from multiple vectors, for now he has shown sub rel speed, i would not put it higher for now

put him max 5 b in both key and update his lifting strength to the equivalent of 1c
 
Accel, even with a 3rd of his calc power cut off, is still absurdly smart enough to probably handle enough calcs to go Rev if he can go sub-rev against Coronzon face to face, and at that speed, even calculate the amount of force sent back into him through her counter-attacks. Doing all those calculations while being sub-rev'like with no foreseen fatigue shows that going that speed probably doesn't mean much to him. But either way we should keep his speed as is, it's just food for future thought.
 
@Malox No you really don't. No one is saying he should be higher, Accel420 was only saying that he could theorectcally go faster but even said that his speed should stay at Sub-rel. All he said was that there nothing stopping him, in a theorectical sense, of going faster.

I don't think you actually know much about this and your just going by your own headcanons.

We are not talking about upgrading his keys. How many times does that need to be said. That is a different discussion altogether. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
That doesn't really apply to vsbattles though. Not to mention MG's like Othinus didn't seem to worry about such a thing whatsoever. It doesn't mean he still can't do it theoretically.
 
well if he had infinite calculation power or a single vector with enough force he could do it, but he would see nothing or process nothing , leaving aside breathing
 
No u don't understand how it works, accel has to outsource some sort of energy he can't just multiply energy any number he wants, he either takes it from multiple existing vectors (cost a lot of calculations) or takes it from 1 big one (almost 0 cost), or more simply the more transformation he has to do with the vectors the more it cost in calculation power, in melee his power pretty much negates the durability of the opponent (the opponent is in range of vector control) but any ranged attack he has to take energy from somewhere else, why do u think he took the energy from the plant when he trowed the building/wall at WB if he could just create it himself

his direct interaction with magnitude is minimal or non-existent (that's why for me it still seems strange that he pierced neph with a drop of water if her durability was 5b, melee would not be a problem tho)
 
He pierced her by cutting away st the energy that made up her body along with just overall magnitude adding through vector change.
 
@Malox

Again you don't seem to understand how Accel's vector abilties work.

Facts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your headcanon.

Accel has shown he can add magnitude. He even sent an attack back twice as strong as it was before, this requires him to double the magnitude. So yes, Accel has shown through his active vector abilites that he can touch the magnitude.
 
I think he sets limits on his magnitude depending on who he is attacking. For Coronzon he specifically allowed the attack to come back into him so he could assess just how much magnitude he was applying to her to begin with, he was testing out the armor for the knights so that he wouldn't accidentally break through and immediately kill the Knight, and so forth. I think it's less of 'he can't apply magnitude' and more so 'He doesn't want to cause unnessary collateral damage'. It's literally never been said whether he wanted to destroy the windowless building itself, more so grab their attention and force the Boards to panic, which resulted in failure of an outburst and loss of battery life, which is why he didn't continue.
 
That being said, I assume he can't apply enough magnitude to just start bursting universes and the like and he probably has a little bit of a limit, but it's a huge underplay to say he can 'barely add magnitude' when the whole point of vector change is to apply vectors in general. Who knows, maybe he can, but he has no reason too. Same reason he doesn't just remote vector everything, etc. But I'm talking in theory right now and this isn't a 'we should upgrade Accel's vectors' speech, just a 'I don't consider him to be able to not apply magnitude'.
 
it's not my head cannon many times in the novel it mentioned that accel control the directionality or use vector transformation (the actual thing called matrix transformation) magnitude is never mentioned to be manipulated directly, even in nt 22 it's mentioned again

" All Accelerator could do was manipulate vectors. He could optimize what was there, but he could not provide what was not. "

even in nt 21 he concentrates the laser to double its power , he din't just sent it back
 
It is your headcanon.

He meant that he couldn't fix the damage body because Aleister most likely had internal damage that even his vector control couldn't fix or sustain.

It has been shown he can directly manipulate magnitude. He doesn't do it often but he has been shown that he can. Accel420 gave some good examples.

He still manipulated the magnitude directly regardless.

Another example of him directly manipulating the magnitude of something was when he magnified a monkey's cries in the Accel manga. The most recent chapter. It specifically said that he honed the the cry to make it more piercing. This would require manipulating the magnitude to do.
 
Basically that. While he's not in a be punching black holes it's silly to say he can't change magnitude. How high he can go is debatable and plot centered but I'd assume pretty high.
 
Yeah let's get back on track. So limited light, gravity, magical interferance and possibly sense, are to brought up and added, as well as a decision on the keys? Is this correct?
 
@Accel420

Yes, Limited light and Gravity manipulation. Enchanced senses should be added as he can sense magic which has been the case all the way since SS1 when he first met Etzali. And Magical interfence.

Is the key decision adding Post-Headshot AP/Speed stats to Pre-headshot Accel?
 
I almost forgot. I think The Clonoth/Will should be added as equipment since, if Will allows it, he can heighten his calculating power by borrowing the calculating power of the Misaka network.
 
Some people say no, others seem to agree. I'd say let's get the abilities on there first before we add stats to keys just to get it out of the way first.
 
Yeah, I'll do the abilities first. I think the key thing might, no will overtake the thread. Best to do the abilities separate and then do the keys in a separate thread altogether.

I think I might do the abilities now, get that over and done with.

Is there anything else that I might have forgotten? With Accel or another character?
 
There's also sound manipulation for Accelerator (which I really don't know why it isn't there when he did it like 13 years ago?) You also mentioned something about some new spells for Aleis-tan?
 
I'm not sure if were already added. I'll have to check.

Junko might have an upgrade but I'm not quite sure who she is scaling to. I haven't read AB yet but I know that someone mentioned a possible upgrade for her. Did she fight Gunha recently? Maybe she scales to him but not 100% sure.

Durability I know is possibly wall level.
 
In the spoiler previews she tussles with him a bit but all she seems to really do is fight defensively and Gunha isn't going super serious either. I wouldn't upgrade her yet as the actual chapter for the fight isn't out yet.
 
I'll leave Junko out then for now, It's probably best to wait. I think the Aleister stuff has been added so it's just the Accel stuff. I believe.
 
Hokaze's profile is hilariously wrong and should be left to a different thread. then again i have alot of issues on how we deal with low level/less used espers.
 
Derailing a bit but can anyone tell me how far is Accelerator in 4-B? Is he like in baseline or...
 
The calc just brings me to a general Shake the galaxy calculation page. I'm not sure which one is on Accel's level.
 
Actually just forget this. But I need to ask one more thing before I go, does his 4-B have high complex multiversal durability as well?
 
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