About Winx Club's Cosmology

[Monkey_Dunno]

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Don't pause the video at 0:40.

Origins​

Prior it's creation, the universe was dominated by complete nothingness. Until a dazzling light appeared from the void. This light was the Great Dragon; who created the Enchanted Universe of the Magical Dimensions with a spark of his flame, a manifestation of his magical energy. The Dragon would spread his breath and fill with life, light and heat every corner of the universe. After the creation of the universe, the Great Dragon went to rest in Domino, place where his power would be handed over through Domino's Royal family.

Bloom:​

Listen to this: "The enchanted universe of the Magical Dimension as we know it was created eons ago by the mythical dragon who sparked the sacred fire"

Faragonda:​

You want to know about the Dragon. Well, it’s a quite long story: In the begging there was nothing. But then, out of the deep darkness a dazzling light appeared. It was the Great Dragon. And with his fiery breath he created a multitude of different worlds and spread life, light and heat across the universe. Eventually the great Dragon became exhausted and chose to lie down in a place called Domino.

The voice you hear night after night belongs to Daphne, one of the historical Nymphs of Magix. […] She was the guardian of the Dragon's flame. The power that gave birth to the Magical Dimension. Legend has that she lives in the deeps of the lake of Rocalucce.

This is the story of a battle that took place many years ago. What you see here is the Company of Light in their greatest battle: the one against Valtor. Valtor was no ordinary sorceror. When the Great Dragon created the universe, a small spark of it's flame fell into the darkness. The darkness then mixed with the power of the flame, and that's when the Three Ancient Witches found it.

It's easy, Bloom. Your powers come from the inextinguible Dragon Flame. The source of the Magic Universe.

The Magic Enciclopedia:​

History is a magical signature.

According to the ancient legends, the enchanted universe of the magical dimensions has it's origin in a spark of the Sacred Fire, a manifestation of the Great Dragon's magical energy.

The fire breath gave life to every known planet and filled with light and heat even the last corner.

The Great Dragon is not only a legendary figure and fascinating. Eons ago* before it existed, everything was governed by the black nothingness, until, from the dark abyss of the mysterious universe, a magical flash came to be: The Dragon's Flame.

It's started an era of happiness, creativity and fecundity.

The Dragon picked the planet Domino as his last place to rest, which saw many years of prosperity, peace and happiness.

One day, the forces of darkness turned off the Sacred Fire. The planet dried up, and all the Magical Dimension lost it's innocence. Since then, light and shadows fight on an endless power play.

*Eon: each of the large periods where the history of earth is divided.

Un Mondi di Magia​

The Dragon's Energy

Bloom is the most powerful of the Winx, because she is the Fairy of the Dragon Flame: in her lives the fire of the Great Dragon, which at the beginning of time created the Magic Dimension. Thanks to him, Bloom has extraordinary powers. In addition to making invincible spells, she is able to warn the dangers in advance and to face any difficulty!

Fairy Powers

Bloom is Domino's Guardian Fairy and as such she protects the Fire Dragon who rests on her planet.

A huge dragon made of fire and flames. In front of him every creature feels small!

Tetis:​

For years I watched over the Great Dragon with Daphne and the other Guardian Nymphs… The magical energy… the same that gave rise to the universe… It was one step away from me… I thought I could control it, but I was wrong!

Valtor:​

Valtor: Icy. Darcy. Stormy. There’s something that only three witches like you can take for me: The Wishing Star. The great comet star that can grants the greatest wish of the one who possesses it. This star comes from the Light Dimension, but once every thousand years it passes through the Magic Universe

Stormy: Everybody knows that story

Icy: That’s a star of infinite power!

Valtor: Exactly, Icy. It’s made of sparks. The energy that gave birth to the Magic Universe. The stars themselves. The magic of fairies and witches. I'd take care of this myself, but… My powers are not compatible with the sparks!

Guia al Mondi Magico​

… and she is also the princess of the planet Domino. Her magic comes from the Dragon Flame, a primordial element that gave birth to the entire Magical Dimension. For this reason she is the most powerful fairy of the group.

KIKO

Bloom has a little friend: a bunny named Kiko. They have always known each other and are indivisible, so much so that Kiko followed Bloom to Alfea. He's the puppy everyone would like to have: he loves cuddles, he's funny and can't resist carrot smoothies!

Structure​

If you paid special attention to the points before, you might have noticed the usage of the term "Magical Dimension" and "Enchanted/Magic universe" on the same preposition. Why?

"Magic Universe" and "Magic Dimension" are terms repeatedly used within the series, and whereas sometimes the terms have been used interchangeably, they often mean different things. The Magic Dimension, or Magix, is the universe beyond earth's time and space where the majority of the series takes place.

Stella​

It’s in the enchanted realm of Magix. A place beyond time and space where everything is possible!

WoG​

Just imagine if one morning your parents bring you to a unusual school: One that exists in a different dimension altogether and best of all, Magical

Griselda:​

Bloom: It’s okay, Stella. I come from a small town on planet Earth called Gardenia...

Griselda: Outside the realm of magix? Utterly imposible.

The Magic Dimension and the Earth are the most known realms out there, but that doesn’t means that they are the only ones. Coming close there's the Infinite Ocean, a dimension linked to Magic Dimension in which The Pillars of the Infinite Ocean reside. This pillars are the foundations of all the worlds of the Magical Dimension.

Tritannus:​

So what?! So everything! Now that I have Sirenix, now I can seize for the ultimate power in this dimension: The Emperor’s Throne. I'll sit in it, and power will flow into me and I'll be the emperor!

When I discovered the legs of the Emperor’s throne were broken, I knew there was only one way to restore the thrones power. The pillar of the infinite ocean. The pillars of the foundations of all the worlds

Other than that, you have places like the Golden Kingdom, a realm beyond the Magic Dimension in which the flow of time is circular, which allows everything to have ever existed to still exist within it.

Tecna:​

Tecna: This book relates the story of how the Magical Universe came to be. In the beginning, when the Great Dragon's fire was born, an opposite force was also created. This force was contained in Water Stars and these were...

Amore: Eh, Tecna. Hang on a second. I though Water Stars didn’t exist anymore.

Tecna: In this dimension they don't. That's true.

Bloom: Where do they exist, then?

Tecna: Well, because they are naturally oppose to one another, the Dragon Fire and the Water Stars couldn’t exist in the same dimension without causing absolute chaos. Something had to be done to restore the balance. And so the ancient wizards came together to collect the Water Stars to seal them off from our dimension.

Arcadia:​

Musa! This is a place where time bends around in a circle. All that ever existed still exists here.

Miscellaneous stuff:

Tecna:​

Balazar has opened a path into the Dark Dimension… But Neruman isn’t able to return to our universe yet! To do so, he needs a solid body… and feeding Neruman with suffering and despair of anyone they can get on their hands will give him his body back!

The Dark Dimension! It's an endless sea of darkness!

Ricordate ragazze, con il potere Enchantix siamo entrate in un'altra dimensione. qui lo spazio il tempo funzionano diversamente

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Remember girls, with the power of Enchantix we have entered in another dimension. Time and space works differently here.

Codatorta​

They are lost between the dimensions. I'm afraid… without or precise signal they can’t return… I'm afraid the situation is critical!

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Points more, points less. You get the idea: The Winx Club's Cosmology has more than one universe at work there.

Size​

Whereas I previously stated that the Magic Dimension and the Magic Universe are different things, I did not stated what was the Magic Universe. So let's go for it.

The Magic Universe is a universe that contains the cosmology, in which there exists an infinity of dimensional realities. Magix operates as the crossroad of all the energies between them.

The Magical Dimensions
This is how everything started
[Top Right] Magix is on the exact point of intersection between the magical dimensions

[Bottom Middle] The city lives in a very special dimensional reality. It's the point of equilibrium between all the magical energies that come together within it, fast and unreachable like streams of stars

[Bottom right] In the Universe there's an infinity of dimensions. Earth is one of the smallest: apparently, it's as small as a diamond in a collar. Around earth there's thousands of dimensions shining, and some of them are magical

Also, pay attention to what WoG says here:

The Ancestral Witches told Bloom that her parents are still alive. Exiled, somewhere in the Infinite Magic Universe. And then, hope revives in Bloom.

This is the conversation:

Belladonna: We will tell you the truth about what happened. Well, it isn’t true that the king and queen of Domino are prisoners inside Valtor’s body! And you fell into his trap! Oritel and Marion are alive.

Bloom: Alive!? So where are they!?

Belladonna: They are outside of this realm. In a dimension far, far away.

The Secret of Lost Kingdom would later reveal that the Ancestral Witches are talking about Obsidian, also known as the Nightmare Realm; which, according to the Book of Fate, is located at the crossroad of the endless paths.

Very interesting. Your entire destiny converges on a single prophecy that was passed down from the most ancient elders of Sparks. At the crossroads of the endless roads, demons of stone lead to the abyss of the caged people. A king without a crown will save another king of a lost kingdom and the six of the fellowship that defends lights will shine with dazzling strength in the evil darkness. And what was lost will be found again.

It honestly doesn't gets more straightforward than that.

TL;DR: Winx Club's cosmology is 2-A

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

By the way, just to make it clear: This thread is just about the cosmology. Wherever and how it would scale is for a different thread.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Isn't an Infinite universe just High 3-A?

And it seems from that like Obsidian is also infinite, not that it is 2-A in size

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Isn't an Infinite universe just High 3-A?

The Magic Universe is not a single universe. It's a conglomeration of an infinity of dimensional realities.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

If it's an infinite collection of Universes, then I guess that would be 2-A

 

[Orioreeem]

2-A winx? Sounds fun. Following

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Interesting. I'll respond more in a minute and I let Kukui know about this revision. Me and him are Knowledgable Members of Winx. I'll be back here in an hour to discuss this more though.

 

[Avengershows]

I agree with basically everything proposed here. It's consistent enough with things like Blooms power somehow being able to power to the Legendarium and what not (though that's a seperate conversation so lets not discuss it here). So yeah, I agree on this

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I agree with the possibility of 2-A Winx Cosmology being a thing. I was actually going to propose similar before. While I won't go into scaling, I do think Bloom realistically could scale to 2-A.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I guess that a bump comes out as appropriated.

 

[Avengershows]

bump

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Le bump

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

So this is going to be one of those threads.

 

[Hasty12345]

looks like it

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Sorry I’m here now. Considering I already tried getting 2-A winx with stuff that definitely wasn’t as straightforward as this, I completely agree with this.

2-A likely already comes from the Legendarium since fictional stories told in the Magic Dimension are supposed to become their own real realities Inside the Legendarium (and if we accept the magic universe being infinite, that means the magic dimension has infinite stories, which births infinite realities from that).

And Bloom would outright upscale since Acheron didn’t have enough power to control the Legendarium until getting a fragment of the dragon flames power to do that. And when the Legendarium destroyed the winx’s magic, Bloom was completely unaffected as the Legendarium can’t destroy the dragon flame.

All in all, with this and the OPs very detailed evidence, I’m agreeing with 2-A.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sorry I’m here now. Considering I already tried getting 2-A winx with stuff that definitely wasn’t as straightforward as this, I completely agree with this.

2-A likely already comes from the Legendarium since fictional stories told in the Magic Dimension are supposed to become their own real realities Inside the Legendarium (and if we accept the magic universe being infinite, that means the magic dimension has infinite stories, which births infinite realities from that).

But that doesn't necessarily mean there are infinitely many stories in the legendarium. After all, Acheron might not have been able to write all the stories in the magic dimension since the book is clearly finite with both a start and an end (since there's cover from both sides)

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Tsk with the Legendarium.

The Legendarium overwrites itself. Acheron has been trapped there for millenniums and there's still tales like Frankenstein and the Snow Queen, which are fairly modern in comparison. It not having a proportional volume are Magical antics; at least thousands of thousands of works of fictions and piece of history are written down each year, and the Legendarium remains retains it's size even on the flashbacks prior Selina betraying Eldora.

Wherever this stories count as independent realities is another thing, a rather complicated discussion that ends up coming out as bias from every side. Bringing that discussion again will probably end up on an endless debate over how Acheron is actually Tier 0 because Marvel exists in Winx Club or how it's 11-A because it was taken over by Acheron when he was turned a legend. And I would prefer to ignore it for mean time; all in all it's a different discussion that can has as many threads there can be about something, but here it only delays stuff.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I heavily disagree with that approach because we would need far greater evidence for Marvel being canon to Winx Club firstly. Secondly... Scaling should be discussed in this thread. It's difficult enough getting support for this type of stuff. Especially with the evidence being as straightforward as it is.

Bloom should outright scale to the Dragon Flame. There are plenty of comparison given between herself and that Flame. Those who have given said comparisons are aware of the Legends. Especially in Season 1 & 2 which is littered to the teeth with them.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I heavily disagree with that approach because we would need far greater evidence for Marvel being canon to Winx Club firstly.

It is.

But you’re getting the approach wrong, it’s an over exaggeration over how things go out of control between different pieces of information being stick together.

Secondly... Scaling should be discussed in this thread. It's difficult enough getting support for this type of stuff.

To make scaling, this would need to be accepted first. Otherwise is rushing over a revision that might or might not be faulty or end up as waste of time. This is why I wanted this to be cosmology exclusive.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It is.

It's basically the Winx version on Spiderman. That definitely isn't enough to make Marvel canon to Winx

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Let's just not.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I'm neutral since I'm not knowledgeable on the verse but I wanted to comment since I used to watch the show.

Also is there some unspoken rule that Magical girl verses have a preference for High 3-A and/or 2-A tiers?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Quick question. Are the comics and show canon to each other? If so, you'd need to provide evidence that supports this because using both without proof of connections doesn't work.

Also is there some unspoken rule that Magical girl verses have a preference for High 3-A and/or 2-A tiers?

Me having added High 3-A/2-A W.I.T.C.H. to the wiki looking real sus

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Well, the major evidence pointing at 2-A is from the Magic Encyclopedia published about the Show, not the comics.

 

[Avengershows]

Quick question. Are the comics and show canon to each other? If so, you'd need to provide evidence that supports this because using both without proof of connections doesn't work.

Iirc yes, however I haven't watched or read winx in a long time so

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Sorry for the delay, yesterday was a clusterfuck and I wasn’t on the proper mood.

Quick question. Are the comics and show canon to each other? If so, you'd need to provide evidence that supports this because using both without proof of connections doesn't work.

In the first Bloom CTR I did years back, I was told they where.

Anyways, the series is canon to the comics [1] [2] [3], though the first volume is a re-adaptation of Season 1. Series' only major reference* to the comics is the Stone of Memories, that becomes part of the major plot of Season 7, as well as some characters re-appearing on minor roles (One of Flora's pseudo-love interests comes to my mind). The comics are also the only source (that I'm aware of) of answers for things as the Trix being outside of the Relix by the start of Season 3 and outside of light rock by The Lost Kingdom while still at Cloud Tower by Magical Adventure, as well as what was of Love & Pet post-Season 4, but that might be giving it way too much credit, as Winx Club has mastered the art of not acknowledging anything that happened 5 minutes earlier. So make that of what you will.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I don’t have a solid stance on this yet but at minimum I see the universe is infinite and there are other dimensions and stuff that supports 2-A but this description in the OP (Size Section) seems to portray dimensions as planets and stars as well.

[Bottom right] In the Universe there's an infinity of dimensions. Earth is one of the smallest: apparently, it's as small as a diamond in a collar. Around earth there's thousands of dimensions shining, and some of them are magical

This can be interpreted as them referring to the Earth (planet) as a dimension, and the thousands of dimensions shining around it are stars which would just mean an infinite size universe with infinite planets/stars. At least in my opinion.

Overall though, I'm neutral. It's pretty clear that the verse has multiple universes with different space and time which already is 2-C. I'll look over this some more to be sure on 2-A

Well, the major evidence pointing at 2-A is from the Magic Encyclopedia published about the Show, not the comics.

I just wanted to be sure regardless of if it effects 2-A or not, because the wiki is very strict about the use of using comics and shows as supporting evidence for one another.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sorry for the delay, yesterday was a clusterfuck and I wasn’t on the proper mood.


In the first Bloom CTR I did years back, I was told they where.

Anyways, the series is canon to the comics [1] [2] [3], though the first volume is a re-adaptation of Season 1. Series' only major reference* to the comics is the Stone of Memories, that becomes part of the major plot of Season 7, as well as some characters re-appearing on minor roles (One of Flora's pseudo-love interests comes to my mind). The comics are also the only source (that I'm aware of) of answers for things as the Trix being outside of the Relix by the start of Season 3 and outside of light rock by The Lost Kingdom while still at Cloud Tower by Magical Adventure, as well as what was of Love & Pet post-Season 4, but that might be giving it way too much credit, as Winx Club has mastered the art of not acknowledging anything that happened 5 minutes earlier. So make that of what you will.

I think we still need more evidence to determine if the comics are also canon to the show, since I'm pretty sure that there are several things in the comics that don't happen in the series

 

[Alsotime]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The OP should put all of this into a blog.

 

[Alsotime]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Gonna contact some staff.

@KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @Confluctor @DarkDragonMedeus

Could any of you evaluate this when you get the chance?

 

[KingTempest]

Looks good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Most of the animated clips have no subtitles, nor is Italian something I speak so I cannot justify nor invalidate proposals. But Kukui seems to agree and think he's often very reasonable. So I don't mind this.

 

[Confluctor]

What DDM said ^

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I also agree with DDM. This seems fine.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

looks good to me

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well, I guess this is accepted. However, I suggest the OP put this information in a blog post and add references. That way, whenever a verse page is created, this info can be put their in the explanation section and or on future profiles.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Well, that was sudden. I'll create the blog later. Guess this can be closed. Bloom herself would go for later.