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About the Xenoverse Goku profile
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...Was this profile even authorized? I didn't even know it existed.
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Imo it should be deleted as it has no relevance and brings nothing new to the wikia it isnt that much different from the original goku profile and its also non-canon it just clots up the wiki.
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I dont think it was,is this even allowed in the first place?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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I don't think it should be a thing. I can accept a profile for Xenoverse Trunks and Time Supreme Kai, however.
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Supreme Kai of Time should be fine. Trunks...maybe, but he's kind of hard to define.Matthew Schroeder said:
Xenoverse Goku has almost nothing to distinctly differentiate him from canon Goku.
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I do believe Antvasima said only Janemba would be created, and even that is currently being reviewed. It should be deleted.
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this won't end well...
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I think this should be deleted as it serves no purpose here at all.
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Delete this ASAP, I don't want Ant to see this mess.
I hope fanboys grow a brain, I don't want to see canon Dragon Ball profiles get deleted because of this stuff
I hope fanboys grow a brain, I don't want to see canon Dragon Ball profiles get deleted because of this stuff
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Just for the sake of debate, what tier would Time Patrol Trunks be?
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Yes.Antvasima said:
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What constitutes as Non-Canon, though?
I don't think that alternate universe DC and Marvel chars should be included in that.
I don't think that alternate universe DC and Marvel chars should be included in that.
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Antvasima said:
Non-canon in general or non-canon version of characters?
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Agreed, plus there are many other franchises with non-canon / alternate versions of certain characters as well. Seems kind of unfair to get rid of all non-canon profiles just because we don't want to have any for Dragon Ball.Matthew Schroeder said:
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We might have to specifiy "non-canon" though, I know a few wikis/fandoms that use the term for characters that are not in the main universe.
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If we do include non-canon profiles, it should be stated clearly that it's not canon in the notes section and also have a "Non-Canon Characters" category included.
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And would composite profiles be alright? I was planning on making a few.
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For the record, we probably have too many Superman profiles, as it potentially leads us on a slippery slope to accept any alternative versions of characters, which would severely clutter the wiki, and dilute the originals, but I agree that it can be difficult to determine where to draw the line exactly regarding what is and is not canon.
The Everlasting and WeeklyBattles are allegedly thinking of starting an affiliated wiki for non-canon profiles, but I don't know if Lord Kavpeny would be okay with it, or if it is even a good idea.
The Everlasting and WeeklyBattles are allegedly thinking of starting an affiliated wiki for non-canon profiles, but I don't know if Lord Kavpeny would be okay with it, or if it is even a good idea.
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I think a seperate wiki for non-canon profiles would be a good idea if we went by only officially / legally published material (IE: Nothing that's clearly fanfiction).
For example, this Wiki could have profiles for manga / DBS versions of Dragon Ball characters exclusively while the affiliated wiki could have profiles for the anime characters, Xenoverse characters, and so forth.
For example, this Wiki could have profiles for manga / DBS versions of Dragon Ball characters exclusively while the affiliated wiki could have profiles for the anime characters, Xenoverse characters, and so forth.
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Okay. But would Alternate Comic Universes count as non-canon? And what about anime and manga who have clearly different storylines in each media from the get go? Is the anime then non-canon or an alternate canon?
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@Gerdkinerf Well, the question is whether we should count all versions of Superman, except Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, and Post-Flashpoint as non-canon, along with, for example, Dragon Ball GT?
Also, the risk with moving the profiles is that the standards and monitoring on that wiki would not be as good as here, leading to lots of severely inflated statidtics, as soon as the fanboys start to notice the place.
Also, the risk with moving the profiles is that the standards and monitoring on that wiki would not be as good as here, leading to lots of severely inflated statidtics, as soon as the fanboys start to notice the place.
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Yeah I agree that the Xenoverse Goku profile is....well was knda poitnless, I wouldn't mind having a profile for the Main Character(Time Patroller) though,
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@Matthew Well, for Marvel, the alternative timeline versions of characters probably count as non-canon, as there are so many of them, and they are not particularly relevant.
For Saint Seiya, DBGT, and the various versions of Superman it obviously turns much more ambivalent, as all of them have been considered highly relevant and canon at some point.
Still, to avoid getting cluttered, I think that asking the admins first is a sensible rule.
For Saint Seiya, DBGT, and the various versions of Superman it obviously turns much more ambivalent, as all of them have been considered highly relevant and canon at some point.
Still, to avoid getting cluttered, I think that asking the admins first is a sensible rule.
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Well Marvel and DC doesn't treat canonicity similarly as anime and manga, where there's only 1 author. Anything not written by the main author is non canon for manga. For comic there are many authors for separate titles, so it's a completely different case. We shouldn't compare comic canonicity with manga, imo.
The definition of canon for comic and manga is different. Otherwise all Superman stories after original would be non canon if we follow manga route.
The definition of canon for comic and manga is different. Otherwise all Superman stories after original would be non canon if we follow manga route.
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"Well, the question is whether we should count all versions of Superman, except Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, and Post-Flashpoint as non-canon, along with, for example, Dragon Ball GT?"
That would probably be best, yeah.
"Also, the risk with moving the profiles is that the standards and monitoring on that wiki would not be as good as here, leading to lots of severely inflated statidtics, as soon as the fanboys start to notice the place."
I think it would depend on whether or not anyone on here would be willing to work on both Wiki's at once. I personally would, but that's just me, and I'm almost certainly within the minority on this potential idea.
That would probably be best, yeah.
"Also, the risk with moving the profiles is that the standards and monitoring on that wiki would not be as good as here, leading to lots of severely inflated statidtics, as soon as the fanboys start to notice the place."
I think it would depend on whether or not anyone on here would be willing to work on both Wiki's at once. I personally would, but that's just me, and I'm almost certainly within the minority on this potential idea.
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Dragon Ball GT is counted as it's own verse. So I think that should stay, honestly.
Also, plenty of Superman versions, such as Kingdom Come, All Star and Strange Visitor, contain plenty of differences to the main versions and can be interesting additions to the wiki
Also, plenty of Superman versions, such as Kingdom Come, All Star and Strange Visitor, contain plenty of differences to the main versions and can be interesting additions to the wiki
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I just wanna say that before this goes any further, I disagree with the deletion of the non-canon profiles, as this case seems more like a misunderstanding of Demigra's reasoning for 2-C rather than a canon/non-canon probelm. Actually, there has not been any non-canon/canon scaling probelms that I am aware of that has happened, making me believe this may just be fueled by some paranoia and people making a probelm of something that has only caused some annoyance if any at all.
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^ I agree with both of them. We should keep non-canon profiles, but I do think that admin should be asked first before adding any new ones.
I don't think that anyone on here that's actually smart and has common sense would scale multiple continuties for inflated, fanboy-ish results, anyway.
I don't think that anyone on here that's actually smart and has common sense would scale multiple continuties for inflated, fanboy-ish results, anyway.
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Can't that be said about most of the non-canon profiles that are about to be deleted?Matthew Schroeder said:
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Question, What about the DBZ Movie characters can we keep their profiles?
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I think we should, unless the affiliate Wiki idea goes through. If it does, we should move the movie character profiles to that wiki instead.
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Non-Canon profiles should be a thing, but analyzed at a case-by-case basis. If the fiction they come from is relevant enough on it's own (Dragon Ball GT), or it's a highly different version of the character, specially in Tiering (Strange Visitor Superman), I think they should stay.
Non-Canon chars that show up once in an obscure game, or a comic one shot shouldn't be a thing.
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What I'm saying is: When the Non-Canon char comes from it's own well stablished universe, they can probably stay. When it is from a one-off thing, it's best not to.
Non-Canon chars that show up once in an obscure game, or a comic one shot shouldn't be a thing.
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What I'm saying is: When the Non-Canon char comes from it's own well stablished universe, they can probably stay. When it is from a one-off thing, it's best not to.
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^ This.
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I don't think we ever will unless something goes horribly wrong, I personally wouldn't worry about it.Antvasima said:
