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If Kienzan can cut even with large gaps in power.... then it should be definitely be deadly for comparable combatants....and yet Jiren no selled them( if he hit the edges) so thats just resistance for him.
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About the Kienzan
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Goku's also low 2-C though, wouldn't make sense for a low 2-C dura negging technique to not work on low 2-C's.
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i agree with both of you , i just didn't realize goku was low 2-C in SSB
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The animation is terrible. The Kienzan can also expand. But i feel we are playing semantics no one has caught the disk or punch them everyone dodges them. They are showing Jiren isn't affected by them.
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what's bigger :
-the gap between krillin and 2nd form frieza
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- the gap between base buu saga goku and Buutenks
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About 28 600 269 times gap.
At least 8 003 times gap.
I assumed baseline for Krillin's planet level, Goku's star level and 2 times baseline (Buu + Goten) for Buutenks' solar system level. Using at least to compensate for the big Buu scaling chain.
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Obviously Buu saga Base Goku and Buutenks
2nd form Frieza>1st form Frieza>>Captain Ginyu>Recoome>Krillin
Meanwhile
Buutenks>Super Buu>SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu>SSJ2 Goku>Cell>SSJ Goku(50 times)>>Base Goku
But I think its more of a case of Buutenks just holding back as he wasn't expecting Goku to cut him and guns has shown to pierce through Super Buu before.Doesn't make sense for Kiezan to have such high AP
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This implies that Krillin would be regularly dwarf star level in the namek saga, which isn't accepted.
It ignores durability to an extent obviously. I think it does make perfect sense considering it's specifically used by weaker people to target stronger people.
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Oh no,he isn't drawf star level.I was just using simple scaling chain to show difference between Krillin and 2nd form Frieza
It either ignores durabilty to certain extent or it has much higher AP.Either way doesn't make sense for base Goku Kienzan to cut Buutenks,its most likely attributed to Buutenks lower durability at that moment just bullets passing through Super Buu if he wills
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Isn't that maleable biology only "willed" by Fat Buu?? The Evil versions especially the Smarter ones don't allow this normally. And gap between Base Goku and Buutenks isn't that large.... as was between Krillin and Frieza. Soooooo kinda a flawed arguement to make against dura neg limitations.
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You're literally describing durability negation... It allows its user to damage much, much stronger opponents despite lacking the AP.
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No, it's still conventional damage but of a different type.
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Is there more to this thread because it looks unfinished?
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@Antvasima thoughts?
An attack being "sharp" should not justify it damaging an opponent tens to hundreds of times stronger. That literally falls under the description of Durability Negation.
An attack being "sharp" should not justify it damaging an opponent tens to hundreds of times stronger. That literally falls under the description of Durability Negation.
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Y’all are killing me with the DBZ CRT’s.
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Seriously we still have so many open lol.
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This is Question and answers xD
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Nah
Other Buu's has the same body structure,Super Buu let bullets pass through him when he willed.Looks like they do if they are normally not paying attention to attack or there is a massively weaker attack.Its far larger than the gap between Krillin and Frieza.Due to AP gap it might not look much but there is magnitude of difference between base Goku and Buutenks who is massively more than 50 times above Base Goku(Assuming we dont use SSJ2 and SSJ3 multiplier)
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I don't think Kienzan is Dura Neg, it is more like Piercing Damage and Frieza, Nappa situation could be considered as they being unprepared or surprised, most of the time the attack coming from behind them and the attack aim at place like tail. The only one who is very prepare is Jiren. In Goku situation with Trunks, we could see that SSJ1 Goku is stronger than Trunks which help him a bit, and he specifically focus the Ki on his finger to block the sword which mean he know how to counter Piercing Damage.
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Both of them take extra care to dodge these attacks later on, when they're not off-guard.
Kienzan is very likely more potent than Trunks' sword and I don't think that this changes anything.
Like at worst it's piercing damage that works on opponents millions of times stronger than you, which probably still warrants the name limited dura neg.
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Piercing damage in any form isn’t dura neg
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There are people who can slice molecules and atoms in half with their swords. in a sense you could see that as piercing damage as well yet it's treated like dura neg.
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Pretty sure uber lvl powerful characters aren't supposed to be scared of "piercing/slashing damage".......especially from low lvl characters.
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Proof by example
Heavily verse dependent
Heavily verse dependent
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Nappa wasn't unprepared actually the opposite. You could say that about Frieza the first time. Not the 2nd directly after. Krillin wasn't aiming for the tail with Frieza.
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The examples in DB would led to Durability Negation. Limited or whatever
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Nappa was NOT unprepared, he was literally preparing himself to catch it until vegeta told him to get out of the way .
Buu was in the middle of charging an attack so his durability was at it's max yet he still got cut
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Not necessarily, it would just lead to piercing damage.
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But piercing damage is useless in DB when you have even slightly more dura....
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I mean sure but then we'd essentially need to give Goku a million times multiplier on his page when he's using the Kienzan and I'm not sure how that'd work with Jiren.
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