about resistance

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

resistance negation can make someone bypass resistance.

but something bothers me.

can someone affect someone who is resistant to that thing.

example: killua from hxh is resistant to electricity (like 1 million volts)

what if we gave him 1 trillion volts of electricity.

same with someone with existence erasure. what happens if we used a much stronger version.

so what's the answer to those things.

so can resistance be a nlf (no limits fallacy)


i also have another question

what about powers that involve manipulation.

suppose a character can manipulate souls. but they can only create souls and not take them

and what if a user can manipulate souls but only because of that verses physics/rules. and the physiologys of that verse.

what happens when different verses with different physics/rules regarding soul manipulation collide in a vs debate. same with physiology. (that character can take souls from that verse because everyone has the same physiology which allows for soul manipulation but the other character has different physiologies and different rules/physics)


i say these things because i end up questioning vs battles wiki a lot and i hope other people here question these things too. and i hope the staff here can understand these things and make improvements.

 

[Antoniofer]

One can reasonable determinate how harmful electricity can be on a subject by comparing to common effects over real life individuals; like, if a character can only feel currents above 15 mA, that would mean that is like 30 times more resistent to electricity than the average human, as we do not perceive currents below 500 uA (of course, the relationship may not be linear, as what would happen with cold resistance).

As for supernatural phenomena such EE, any form of determinating if someone can resist or not may be arbitrary, as there's no point of reference (EE does not exist in real life). As for stuff like soul manip, officially we determinate through amount of soul manipulated, although I personally find this iffy, and instead I associated more with AoE than potency itself.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

One can reasonable determinate how harmful electricity can be on a subject by comparing to common effects over real life individuals; like, if a character can only feel currents above 15 mA, that would mean that is like 30 times more resistent to electricity than the average human, as we do not perceive currents below 500 uA (of course, the relationship may not be linear, as what would happen with cold resistance).

As for supernatural phenomena such EE, any form of determinating if someone can resist or not may be arbitrary, as there's no point of reference (EE does not exist in real life). As for stuff like soul manip, officially we determinate through amount of soul manipulated, although I personally find this iffy, and instead I associated more with AoE than potency itself.

i thought soul manipulation. certain people can only manipulate certain things about soul. not everything about soul (can you get what i'm saying. basically not all applications of soul manipulation. some can only create souls and not destroy them. and some can only absorb them but not outright obliterate them).

yeah. also what about the rules/physics what i said about that. (different verses have different rules/physics regarding a certain power) so what should you do when that happens.

 

[Antoniofer]

When is written than a character have soul manip resistance, it actually refer to soul anchoring, what it means that the character resist any direct outside alteration its soul may suffer. Soul manip involve absorbtion, destruction, splitting etc, as long it targets the soul.

Soul manip refer to the manipulation of a character's immortal essence/spirit, that definition is universal; if in a verse the "soul" is definied as another thing, then by our standards that does not qualify by a soul, as we do not evaluate based in names.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

When is written than a character have soul manip resistance, it actually refer to soul anchoring, what it means that the character resist any direct outside alteration its soul may suffer. Soul manip involve absorbtion, destruction, splitting etc, as long it targets the soul.

Soul manip refer to the manipulation of a character's immortal essence/spirit, that definition is universal; if in a verse the "soul" is definied as another thing, then by our standards that does not qualify by a soul, as we do not evaluate based in names.

okay it's just some powers involving manipulation. (may not cover all parts of that power they are manipulating)

though how do you deal with the different rules in different verses if you want to debate two characters whose rules in their verses are different.

 

[Antoniofer]

Its a debate, so you debaters try to agree what is the most appropiated conclusion in that regards.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

okay

though does being higher over someone necessarily mean beating them?

as in just because your one dimension higher over someone. does that mean they cannot hurt you or kill you. your automatically invincible over them?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Not necessarily.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

this leads me to the outerversal question (along with another question about it)

so if your outerversal. (suppose some person below you manages to hit you and injure you and etc)

does that mean they are outerversal level?

or is that bs/pis etc.


and about outerversal level. how to prove a character is one in any form of media.

how can you prove this guy is outerversal if it's just images and no text?

and if there's text (keep in mind writers do not know the word outerversal or anything) how to know it is one?

 

[QuasiYuri]

They are 1-A as long as it is coherent and not a matter of circumstances.

Image with no text ? Not much verse like that to begin with.

See the justifications on the characters' pages? They just need to meet the criterias of the Tiering System.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

They are 1-A as long as it is coherent and not a matter of circumstances.

you mean the guy who hit the 1-A dude

 

[QuasiYuri]

you mean the guy who hit the 1-A dude

Yes

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

okay, though speaking of 1-A and stuff.

could the hotu (heart of the universe) thanos.

could it have been a manifestation body of the living tribunal that he absorbed and not the real thing?

 

[QuasiYuri]

It could, but nothing implied that iirc.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

The Living Tribunal may or may not have been defeated when Thanos claimed the power of Heart of the Universe for himself, and seemingly absorbed the Living Tribunal, along with Eternity, and Infinity. However, given that Thanos only absorbed and recreated a single universe, whereas the rest of the multiverse suffered no effects from his actions, it was likely just a Manifestation Body/weak avatar of the Tribunal.[

This interpretation was validated by Marvel's executive editor Tom Brevoort, who stated that like all, "The End" series, the story was intended to have no effect whatsoever on continuity, and if it had, Death would have been made absolute again, which it was not. So the entire event may also have taken place as an "imaginary story" completely outside of Marvel's multiversal continuity.

This is what the marvel wiki says (i know the marvel wiki might not be accurate but it was validated by him)

people here don't trust tom. (i've said it before but they didn't believe me)

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It could, but nothing implied that iirc.

what do you think?

 

[QuasiYuri]

It just means that the story is non canon as far as I see.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

okay but there's a power question bothering me.

suppose there's a verse. where everyone can learn a certain power like fire manipulation.

does this mean a character has fire manipulation even if he's never learned it.

also what does the vs battle wiki think about implied powers? (what are implied powers exactly and how do you deal with them here on the forum)

and how do you deal with characters that have powers stated on their wiki but they never have used them.

that's all i can remember about for what i want to tell you (maybe there's more but i don't remember. if i do i'll tell. or maybe it's already told here on the forum or somebody else knows this stuff)

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

can you answer that question with powers

 

[QuasiYuri]

Everyone can learn =/= everyone did learn so no.

Do you mean like stated or something ? It just works but will lack precision about how it works.

Any example ? If they never used them, it's likely that they absorbed someone else's or stole their powers.