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Yes. Any changes to the past will not affect Type 1s in anyway. Your entire family tree gets erased prior to your would be birth? You still remember your life as it was prior to the fam dying.
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About Acasuality Type 2
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Okay then. Nvm about what I said to Wokistan then.Antoniofer said:
However, you emembering an Acasual Type 2 from the past should still count as an anti-feat against them if you are not an Acasual Type 1.
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Mmm, I think something is wrong with fandom...
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Everything is wrong with fandom..but yeah me too
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It seems to be fixed now.
Anyway, like I said, should remembering an Acasual Type 2's past still count as an anti-feat against them actually being Acasual Type 2 unless your an Acasual Type 1 yourself?
Anyway, like I said, should remembering an Acasual Type 2's past still count as an anti-feat against them actually being Acasual Type 2 unless your an Acasual Type 1 yourself?
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Should be, but again, is mostly a bad description and the power is uncommon, I would suggest to make type 1 as immunity to temporal paradoxes, and type 2 immune to fate, prophecy and precognition.
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Hmm okay. Btw, would Acasuality be something that can be actively done or is it a state of being kind of power?
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Its more of a state of being/passive power.
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What do you mean?Spinoirr said:
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Wouldn't be PIS since there's no reference nor real theory behind it. And as I said, is pretty uncommon ability, would even say nearly nonexistent; that's what I propose to make type 2 as immune to fate, not following/break a prophecy, without the need to not exist in the future not exist outside of time (although, that last wouldn't makes one immune to fate, not necessary).
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Also, there's another huge confusing issue about Acasuality Type 2.
"In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist."
This part of the definition is completely self-contradicting. How can a character apply a fate, destiny, future, etc. to themselves if they dont....exist in the future? Like for instance, say I use future manipulation to choose a future for my own benefit. But, im supposed to not exist in the future. So how can the future I chosen benefit myself when I dont exist within it?
Unless a really good explanation can get by this, this part of the defintition for Acasuality T2 needs to go.
"In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist."
This part of the definition is completely self-contradicting. How can a character apply a fate, destiny, future, etc. to themselves if they dont....exist in the future? Like for instance, say I use future manipulation to choose a future for my own benefit. But, im supposed to not exist in the future. So how can the future I chosen benefit myself when I dont exist within it?
Unless a really good explanation can get by this, this part of the defintition for Acasuality T2 needs to go.
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Im talking about for yourself, not others.Spinoirr said:
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"Choosing your own fate" doesn't mean fate manipulation in this context tho. It is simply a natural consequence of not existing in the future and hence not having a pre-determined destiny
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Yes but lets say in another context it does mean fate manipulatipn. That you have an ability that can manipulate fate or the future and, despite not existing in the future, you can apply that hax to yourself for your own benefit.Andytrenom said:
If you can hax yourself with a fate manip or future manip hax, why wouldnt that mean you actually exist in the future?
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But..that's not what type 2 is supposed to imply so what are you even talking about?
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Im talking about a character who has T2 Acasuality, yet they are able to inflict fate or future hax on themselves despite not existing in the future.Andytrenom said:
How can they be T2 Acasual when they can apply a fate or future to themselves?
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Is being able to use fate manipulation on yourself something you think the current page implies about the general type 2 character? If not, that doesn't really say anything about type 2 as a concept or its current definition
As for whether they can fate hax themselves, they normally shouldn't be able to but there being some fate hax capable of doing this wouldn't really be unexpected from fiction
As for whether they can fate hax themselves, they normally shouldn't be able to but there being some fate hax capable of doing this wouldn't really be unexpected from fiction
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I mean, equal to why one can have type 1 and yet exist in the past, one can be immune to fate and yet exist in the future. Like travel to the future and find the future self of that being, it do not contradict the ability.
Not trying to bend the meaning of type 2, just saying its meaning is pretty exclusive, and there's several characters that are immune to destiny and precog without the need to not exist in the future. The current description is more "you need to have x cause to be immune to cause and effect" rather than "immune to cause and effect".
Not trying to bend the meaning of type 2, just saying its meaning is pretty exclusive, and there's several characters that are immune to destiny and precog without the need to not exist in the future. The current description is more "you need to have x cause to be immune to cause and effect" rather than "immune to cause and effect".
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That isnt how Type 1 Acasuality works tho.Antoniofer said:
Type 1 Acasuals still exist in the past, they are just unaffected by changes that happen to them in the past. Like if im killed as a baby but my present and future self still remains.
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My point then, the only way for being acasual in the sense of not being affected by fate and prophecy is by not existing in the future, that is more of an arbitrary requeriment.
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Bump. I wasn't commenting here anymore as I agree with the changes the thread was going to give, so let's please continue and finish this.
(As a side note, I just finished watching MK11's story mode; The characters that we give type 2 Acausality don't have what we currently define as type 2 Acausality.)
(As a side note, I just finished watching MK11's story mode; The characters that we give type 2 Acausality don't have what we currently define as type 2 Acausality.)
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So if some one with type 2 gets their sword broken and sent flying but someone goes back in time to take the not broken sword to the present and gives it to the person with type 2
Would they still have type 2 because they never saw the person with type 2 in the past and just the sword?
Would they still have type 2 because they never saw the person with type 2 in the past and just the sword?
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No, they wouldnt be a Type 2 because if the Type 2 didnt exist in the past, then neither would their specific sword. The Type 2 would have never gotten the sword to begin with if they didnt exist in the past.Spinoirr said:
Even if it was just a random sword that they picked up out of nowhere, they still wouldnt be a tier 2 because even if you went back in time and found that same sword in some regular shop or something, you would have to go back to the future to give the new sword to the Type 2. But they supposedly no longer exist in the future, only in present time (which is constantly passing). So how would you be able to give it back to them in the future if they didnt exist there?
This is exactly why Acasuality Type 2 is extremely complicated via how its currently treated. It needs to be changed or just flat out removed if nothing else.
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What type of acausality is existing in the past, but not the future?
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So do I understand this correctly? If individual X plans to kill individual Y (who got Acausality Type 2) in the future because individual Y is currently in a safe city-fortress for 50 years, then if individual X uses Time Travel to 50 years into the future the assassination would fail because either a "different version" unrelated to the original individual Y would be killed, or wouldn't even exist to begin with, while on the other hand if individual X used cryo sleep to pass the 50 years, the assassination would likely be successful because individual X never "left the present" and hence remained on the same plane of causality as individual Y and can hence kill individual Y "in the present"? Is that correct?
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