A Wild Last Boss Appeared Discussion Thread

[Enter_Bluey]

She probably did get stronger maybe. I think once Ruphas became lvl 3000, Benet threw out an attack basically light speed. After that though I don't think I saw any others. So either she boosted herself further or used up more of what she's capable of as a level 1500. Cause I do believe she was saving this for Ruphas. But reactions and attacks could still work. That specific strength Benet reached may be unique to her.

Benet was amped to lvl 1500 and also buffed by the full moon as well. But for the fight against the heroes, I don't think she went level 1500 again nor was she buffed by the full moon. Especially since she saves this stuff for Ruphas. The level 1000 heroes are also buffed since those pollux revives can also get buffed to level 1000 level. The 12 stars also get buffed to level 1000 once Ruphas uses Alkalid and have their own skill buffs/cheese last I remember. Then we factor in the fact the 12 stars are already stronger than the normal standards even at level 800. So maybe this fight isn't much of an issue, because by now we have several level 1000s who are also amped in some way. I remember Aries getting pretty overpowered as well until Leon saved him. Leon himself was a very powerful boss class monster as is

I may reread these volumes as well

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Mizgarz seems to be a little bit than Earth, seeing as it takes 6.5 hours to make a lap around it.

Probably bumps things up slightly ie Ruphas being able to lap around Mizgarz in a second, lvl 1000's being able to split it etc.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I forgot when I added the dragon kings EE, but ruphas should probably have it as well? I'm pretty sure she tanked it in the side story

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't even remember Ladon getting EE...

Idk, will see when I get to making the CRT.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Now that I see layers get brought up, I wonder how many layers the gods would have. I mean they start baseline assuming, but for EoS how would it work. But being honest however many layers probably wouldn't matter

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

No seriously, by the end of the fight Ruphas and Alovenus were just having a sword fight, hax stopped mattering (just like the laws of physics a while back).

 

[Enter_Bluey]

In the end it really just doesn't matter huh...unquantifiable, infinite, I declare it won't work on me.

I suppose it's the same for layers of hax or how high into 1A too, speed and what not

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

What a wanker

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Tet wanker

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

awbla wanker

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Random ncode system Novel wanker..

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Big news

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Wow, very surprised, seeing as the LN has been over for years.

But good news. This will propel Ruphas into the mainstream, for better or worse.

Finished my other series, time to get back my re-read of this series, 3 volumes left.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

For better in a sense we get to see these characters animated, and hear them voiced. Which is nice. Plus, more art will be made

For worse in a sense that it certainly will attract more less than tasteful communities. I doubt it will be too mainstream, at most two seasons I guess. Though I don't think it will get to the main part which is really where they get all that strength from which is the final chapters.

So...I'm a mix of eager to see it yet not the most excited for these reasons.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Shouldn't Yed Prior be marked as some sort've speed buff if it can infinitely speed up the target? That is, if their physical bodies can handle it. Even after that till it the concept and limitations of time are bypassed. Unless it should have some other effect I'm missing

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea, that will apart of the eventual revision

Still got 2 volume to read

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Always wondered why it didnt have a place in speed stat before considering yed Posterior could decelerate infinitely. Prior would be the opposite.

I'm guessing it would allow acceleration up to infinite speed? I would think Immeasurable somewhere, Not sure how here would treat beyond concept of time itself though

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Got very sidetracked and busy, will attempt to get through the last volumes.

Though idk when I will be done, hopefully soon. After my 11 eyes thread goes through, and is applied, can get around to making a sandbox for AWLBA.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Good to see the pages getting updates for certain things that have been thought about before

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Seems cool have been convinced to read it

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Started the last volume.

One big change from the WN is that a previous God doesn't exist in the LN, actually like this change. The statements about Alovenus are interesting, seems to lead to her atemporal/aspatial nature.

I like the computer analogy of her being scattered computers parts which somehow came together, she is the concept of the unrealistic. Got me thinking too, about how even after being erased from existence, she can come back as soon as she is bored, makes sense since her true form is the very concept of ridiculousness, whatever she says happens, even if it doesn't make sense.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yeah, she basically is a person that defies logic and reason to do whatever she wants. Her existence coming to, being another example of an illogical inconsistency with no real reason behind how fits better when there is no God as well.

Would've been cool to see more on that actually. But it's like an explanation that gives more questions, did she exist in the past, future? All at the same time or not at all? Tho obviously she was not meant for the normal world anymore

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Hmm I wonder, how come Alovenus doesn't also have aspect type 2 NEP on the profiles? Or like a possibly at least, was that part not approved?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Idk if the new NEP was even out when that change was applied, I wasn't the one who proposed it, I may have agreed with it though.

In the context of AWLB, I find this interesting:

“Now, what will you do next?” she continued. “Use some sort of instant death power where you just have to look at the target? Use an ability to steal your opponent’s powers? Make use of some sort of special attribute that always makes you stronger than your opponent? Turn back time altogether and make it so this never happened? Use some amazing power to go to a higher world in order to rip up your opponent’s settings? Activate something that will nullify all abilities? Erect an invincible barrier that will reflect any and every attack at twice the strength? Manipulate the very concept of victory in order to make yourself always win, ignoring everything else? Cheat and implant the concept of defeat onto your opponent so that they will always lose? Make use of a pure and simple power that will pierce through everything to always kill the target? I don’t care what you do. Please, come at me until you’re satisfied. None of it will do anything, anyway.”

Higher world and settings is clearly being used in the context of being an author, so idk how to take this. R>F has dis-qualifiers for the higher tiers just like the lower ones.

If we were to take this seriously Alovenus would be saying that even if Ruphas and co, who are already 1-A, were to become an author in comparison to her, it wouldn't matter, because she would just ascend above them

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Idk if the new NEP was even out when that change was applied, I wasn't the one who proposed it, I may have agreed with it though.

In the context of AWLB, I find this interesting:



Higher world and settings is clearly being used in the context of being an author, so idk how to take this. R>F has dis-qualifiers for the higher tiers just like the lower ones.

If we were to take this seriously Alovenus would be saying that even if Ruphas and co, who are already 1-A, were to become an author in comparison to her, it wouldn't matter, because she would just ascend above them

Maybe it wasn't out? But she has aspects 1 and 5, I think it should also include concept though.

As for higher world and settings, there are stories within the universe, and a character can get as strong as they want. Doesn't matter to the author(Alovenus), and she uses all 3 of them as an example as these characters now. Basically them as Gods now, who technically should also be authors and deities, and be capable of having their own setting are still ascended by Alovenus in the same fashion. I think it can be taken serious considering this is mid fight, and she is just flexing while explaining the way things work now. It also gets way crazier once you factor in just how ridiculous the level they ascend is after.

There is a lot of potential with it. Like there's an author statement saying the progression of stories, one character one shotting another and getting stronger etc is infinite(unfortunately in a translated twitter DM from them though I think, but id like to assume its infinite anyway). Then the author and the setting are kinda just the above it all. Also going to the next higher setting, let's say of another God is said to be pointless.

Only thing really keeping it back is disqualifier of ascending with your own strength probably

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ruphas and co getting to Alovenus initial level makes sense due to them absorbing the universe, which is her magic, and them as resident of her world also inheriting part of her power. This also explains why Taurus can train and destroy a very small piece of Alovenus power.

The higher realms above that though has nothing to really explain how Alovenus and Ruphas could reach those higher levels, when they are suppose to be fictional in comparison to them, so yea seems like a dis-qualifier.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yeah, since being a resident of her world seems to warrant some benefit. I think only inhabitants of her world can even do what they did? She is also a terrible author where holes exist lmao

Unfortunate though, this must be an example of suffering from success. Even if there was like a higher power helping each time, it'd go against their whole illogical trope of purpose of their wills. So one day...maybe one day.

As for that aspect NEP 2 thing as a "likely", could probably be added in the revision. I mean she already can keep on if she's erased, that should include the conceptual erasure bit.

 

[Ren1999]

Ruphas and co getting to Alovenus initial level makes sense due to them absorbing the universe, which is her magic, and them as resident of her world also inheriting part of her power. This also explains why Taurus can train and destroy a very small piece of Alovenus power.

The higher realms above that though has nothing to really explain how Alovenus and Ruphas could reach those higher levels, when they are suppose to be fictional in comparison to them, so yea seems like a dis-qualifier.

sorry i ask, cant it be an Anti feat R>f because low dwellers can absorb the power of higher beings to ascend to higher places? or is there a further explanation about it. that Alovenus intentionally allowed a small part of his power to be absorbed just for entertainment, yes, it's like Alovenus intentionally gave permission to lower world creatures to get his power so they can rise to a higher place

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ruphas and co could absorbed the universe, which is Alovenus power with the Key to the Heavens, an item created by Alovenus. There is no antifeat there, they used an item created by Alovenus, whose purpose is literally control over the universe and as I said before residents of Alovenus world inherited a small piece of Alovenus power, hence why they can disregard logic, and once the reach Alovenus realm, ascend to her level, by doing the same thing she does.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Ruphas and co could absorbed the universe, which is Alovenus power with the Key to the Heavens, an item created by Alovenus. There is no antifeat there, they used an item created by Alovenus, whose purpose is literally control over the universe and as I said before residents of Alovenus world inherited a small piece of Alovenus power, hence why they can disregard logic, and once the reach Alovenus realm, ascend to her level, by doing the same thing she does.

But didn't alovenus herself reach the endpoint with her own sheerpower?
She wasn't born there right.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

She already had the power to do that, so escaping everything wasn't an issue. Then when she became a God, there was no going back.

The others didn't just spawn in with that same nonesense, so they cheated a little

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

But didn't alovenus herself reach the endpoint with her own sheerpower?
She wasn't born there right.

Alovenus is a function of the "universe" itself, she is the literal concept of the unreasonable, think of it like this, our world operates off the laws of physics, no superpowers exist, Alovenus is the sole exception, by sheer coincidence all the stuff which didn't end up in creation, all came together and made her.

In short, she is a literal function of the cosmology, which is 1-A.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Here is the quote btw, idk why this is being brought up now, Alovenus and co have been 1-A for months lol

However, that would then invite another question. Where did such a thing come from?
By repeating this cycle, the conclusion that the beginning was nothing would eventually be reached. However, reaching that conclusion would erase all meaning. If there was nothing, then there would be no coincidence or component, and there would be no universe. Wouldn’t the nothingness simply continue for eternity? After going that far, most likely no one would have a rebuttal, since this would be reaching into the area of philosophy.
Ultimately, there would always be unexplainable things if one inquired far enough, and she was probably one of them. She was something that could not be explained by reason. In fact, there might have been no specific reason behind her at all. She was born from a completely failed place where human intellect could not reach and illogicality and inconsistency ruled. She may have been born because humans imagined God, or maybe humans were born because she had imagined them. She may have come from the universe itself, or it was possible that the universe came from her. Not even she herself knew which had come first. After all, she currently stood in a place where a sense of time could not take hold. She both felt that she could have been alive before the universe had existed and that she could have come after the universe had ended.
What kind of thing am I? Why was I born? Why do I exist? Not even she could answer those questions.
In the end, it was probably all a coincidence, just like the universe that had sprung from nothing. Just like how a green planet called Earth happened to have been formed, and how life happened to have been born on it. Just like how fire and water existed and how time had begun as well. Just as how all things were born or formed, she was surely born as the concept of herself.
In other words, she herself was some sort of phenomenon, something that had even less of a chance of happening than the universe, a singularity that was able to be born and walk around on Earth. The biggest glitch ever to spring from the world.
She might have been the manifestation of all the unrealistic things that had been unnecessary when reality itself had been created. Maybe all the concepts and notions that had not been created in the world had taken human form and been born as her. This coincidence was basically impossible. It was as if someone had scattered computer parts all throughout the ocean, and they somehow came together and were assembled into a complete PC. There was an almost zero percent chance of it happening. However, she was born from such a happenstance. The impossible became possible.-Volume 9

As far as my reading goes, still on vol 9, should make a lot of progress this week though, my 11 eyes revisions are almost done.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Alovenus is a function of the "universe" itself, she is the literal concept of the unreasonable, think of it like this, our world operates off the laws of physics, no superpowers exist, Alovenus is the sole exception, by sheer coincidence all the stuff which didn't end up in creation, all came together and made her.

In short, she is a literal function of the cosmology, which is 1-A.

That makes sense but makes me question more ,
If the verse has 1A planes ,is it not an antifeat for reaching them on your own if your are an embodiment of the said verse (emboding laws ,concepts truths etc )?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

She basically spawned in with God mode.

But yeah. Next to everything else, she herself was kinda just born separately from everything. The impossible coming to be, like unused parts of an already functioning world, but those parts are put together to make an impossible function. What shouldn't be capable in the entire world, meaning all creation, she could do it.

She also spawned in with these powers and that state, so it was simply leaving the universe to reach the new place. Not gaining a power up. Like how when the other 3 actually gained that power, they gained the capability to do the same and escape creation

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Alovenus existence is an impossibility, she is stated to be able to disregard logic, contain and be unbound by all laws. In other words, she always had the ability to be 1-A, she just only chose to do it when she decided she wanted to see if God existed.

There is no anti-feat here. Again another quote:

Reaching the place was easy; she simply flew through the sky and space so fast that light was not even close to catching up, until she reached the end of the universe. It was impossible for a human-sized lump of matter to surpass the speed of light. Even if it did happen, it would be disastrous. However, none of that mattered to her. After all, she was a singularity. She was unbound by the laws of this universe, and she contained multitudes of different laws and providences within her. She simply rewrote the common sense of the universe, applied what laws were convenient to her, and forced them into place.
Normally, cooling water would turn it into ice. However, if she said that the water would become fire instead, cooling water would then produce fire. Why? Who knows? She was able to do it, and that was that. The question of why never entered her mind at all.
“I can do it.”
That was the truth, and that was all that mattered.
If someone saw the entirety of space at once, they would see that it resembled a brain, and that outside of that, there was nothing. There was just white that seemed to stretch on forever, and there was no god to be found. It was just endless nothingness.-Volume 9

Alovenus could reach the endpoint because she believed she could, as her existence as a singularity makes the impossible possible. She only became 1-A when she wanted to, but she always had the ability to do it.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

She basically spawned in with God mode.

But yeah. Next to everything else, she herself was kinda just born separately from everything. The impossible coming to be, like unused parts of an already functioning world, but those parts are put together to make an impossible function. What shouldn't be capable in the entire world, meaning all creation, she could do it.

She also spawned in with these powers and that state, so it was simply leaving the universe to reach the new place. Not gaining a power up. Like how when the other 3 actually gained that power, they gained the capability to do the same and escape creation

Alovenus existence is an impossibility, she is stated to be able to disregard logic, contain and be unbound by all laws. In other words, she always had the ability to be 1-A, she just only chose to do it when she decided she wanted to see if God existed.

There is no anti-feat here. Again another quote:



Alovenus could reach the endpoint because she believed she could, as her existence as a singularity makes the impossible possible. She only became 1-A when she wanted to, but she always had the ability to do it.

Thanks for the answers

 

[Makenai]

Ruphas and co getting to Alovenus initial level makes sense due to them absorbing the universe, which is her magic, and them as resident of her world also inheriting part of her power. This also explains why Taurus can train and destroy a very small piece of Alovenus power.

The higher realms above that though has nothing to really explain how Alovenus and Ruphas could reach those higher levels, when they are suppose to be fictional in comparison to them, so yea seems like a dis-qualifier.

If Alovenus could become 1-A because she always had the ability to do it, then by using the same logic she could reach the higher realm with r>f difference simply because she hasn't reach the limit of her ability. She never try it because there's no need to do it.

I think increasing her infinity should be considered better than the traditional transcendence. As she says reaching higher realms won't do anything to her, that means Ruphas consider increasing her infinity is better than reaching the higher realms.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Wonder, what do you guys think of this? @Celestial_Pegasus @Enter_Bluey


https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-wil...ng-some-5-b-low-5-b-and-massively-ftl.172629/

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Not touching that right now, there is a lot to discuss in terms of tiering and speed.

What I will say is that it does make some decent points along the lines of some of what I am thinking. Nothing is really hammered out until I finish my re-read, and actually start preparing the CRT.