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A Wild Last Boss Appeared Discussion Thread

Just got to looking at Sol, and more convinced in some of my thoughts. Basically at best Parthenos amped Castor like 3x, which as it turns out, if normal Ruphas without amps is mach 100,000 or like mach 116000 as one of the feats would give, 3x less than that is around mach 39,000...

Difference between a normal level 1000 and a boosted level 1000 like Ruphas is 3x and that's without any amps, with amps think it could be up to 5x, and the gap between level 800 and is "insurmountably large", so even multiple level 800's, albeit with a level 900, being able to put up a fight with someone like Thulu which is stronger than Leon, who is boosted Ruphas level, doesn't make sense, unless Thulu is a glass canon and slow, which is what I am thinking atm.
 
So a few things, either it is a glass Canon, or they're stronger than normal level 800s. But remembering what was being brought up before about levels and law/logic. I think you could combine these two. One, Thulu is glass-cannon like. When Libra analyzed its body to find vital organs, she felt no resistance attacking it. Which means Thulu is an oddity among level 1000s which she's never seen. To compensate for that though, it has high HP regen, basically instant.

In the fight, it brings up what Benet believed to be "true invulnerability" which is high HP and high HP regen. Since there is a damage cap, those two are very OP in the world. More so when you take into account how levels work, where you basically deal damage to HP no matter what. So to make up for the speed stats and durability, it makes up in regen. Kinda like a certain Ox
 
Pretty much yea, it's a glass canon but has high HP and regen to make up for it.

Also looking at another Sol fight Mizar and Megrez who are level 500 and 600 could cause slight bruising to him, which is another example of the ridiculousness of levels, even a baby can damage a level 1000, and the closer in levels you are the more damage you do, a 400-500 level difference equals slight bruising.

As for how that looks on profiles, I am not too sure, I think higher overtime ratings to every single profile are the best way to represent it.
 
Yeah, there are times it says the level 1000 should be a great gap between lower levels. But then other showings of characters still putting up a fight anyway despite the stats difference. So leveled up characters in this world have more impact regardless. I think Virgo is another example? Level 300 but can put up a fight against higher ones. Or...the one fodder with the time ring who I think managed to damage her somehow.

It's kind of odd on a profile because either they grow stronger to deal damage, but I think sometimes they do these silly things without much time passing. So either higher over time, or  varies due to their level. Not sure for this, but the former may just be simpler
 
Varies might work best thinking about it, cause the level of damage they do varies depending on the difference in levels.
 
Yeah, like a low level can still cause some damage. But a higher level will pull off a feat that will be more ridiculous.

Goes for everything too, I remember Ruphas saying long as your level went up you can basically lift anything. Unlike a normal person's bones who can't handle nearly as much. And the best fighter on Earth is barely even level 5 by comparison. Meanwhile a level 5 probably can somehow deal some damage to a higher level. Just not as high. Damage wise not sure if this will be treated as varies due to stats amp or some limited form of dura neg though.
 
So, also think level 800's should be downgraded to High 6-A, they are scaling that high because of harming Thulhu which we established is a glass canon. Pisces has a blatant High 6-A feat they can scale to.

Btw level 300's will go up to High 7-C seeing as like 4 of them can equal Vlad who can fragment mountains.
 
Seems reasonable, brachium being planet level should also be changed cause level 99,999 supposedly isn't planetary destruction, I think? There is also Pisces thing of not exactly planet destroying but being very strong, enough to wipe out all life. Something like that last I remember. So I think that is a safe deduction for level 800s. Same for level 300s, so Virgo Mars Mercurius

None of them tanked Thulu's attacks right? Cause given his damage is still just as high I'd hope not to avoid more confusion with that.
 
Haven't yet looked into the whole planet level stuff. One theory I have is that while the characters may have the power to destroy the planet, the weird laws of the world make it so it isn't possible, but just a theory. Ouroboros are repeatedly stated to be planet level, yet don't exceed the level limits, Aigokeros who is around that level definitely doesn't, but he has a blatant High 5-A feat, so something weird is probably going on with Midgard.

In fact Ouroboros might possibly be Star level and yet somehow restricted by the level cap. Actually looking at this scan it says that damage is reduced upon impact by the level cap so the planet isn't destroyed, so i think my theory is right, the characters do in fact have the power to planet bust, and more, but Alovenus laws prevent the planet from actually being destroyed.

From memory Thulu destroyed Libra's golem which she used to swim underwater, but don't really remember them taking any other damage, will have to re-look.
 
Oh yeah, I brought this up somewhere else but characters are constantly restricted from doing planet level damage, or destroying the planet unless above level 1000. Ruphas says she could split the planet in two, and gives other examples of planet destroying potential. Like dragon king Ladons breath during the fight, it had that potential. But likely they wouldn't have.

We see that with Leon, who says he should be up there with Ruphas and Benet but can't, because of the level 1000 wall. Also with the Ouroboros's gravity which should've obliterated the planet. Infact...it's pretty much said in that order too. "'It had the power to destroy a star", and then right after "the damage was limited to 99,999", and was still wrecking Leon. So these characters have the potential to do things, but in the world of Midgard and the script/this story, they get hard limited. So tbh it's no longer just a theory but basically hard fact. It also makes sense, because the unique skill of limiting your max damage to like what 99,999? Or is it 9,999..well either way it would probably be way too damaging otherwise for a skill like that
 
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Good to see our gals (and boys) getting their good additions and reworks especially with anime coming.

This makes me wonder too. I remember when Benet out punching the HP healing of that vampire. Imagine her doing that to a higher tier person in a vs thread..
 
Getting a little further into ap, if we take Ouroboros equals star level as legit, there are some interesting stuff that can happen.

The level limit/damage cap applies to the planet in that when an attack hits the planet, the damage is reduced, but there is also a cap to how much damage a person can do, 99,999, this applies Ouroboros as well.

Well most boss class characters have over a million HP, so by that logic you would need a dozen star level attacks to kill one of them.

Technically even a baby could just keep doing -1HP until they die, so a million hits from a baby in AWLB, could kill someone with potentially star level durability...
 
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In the case of a massive speed difference, the AWLB character could actually chip away at the person's HP even if it does 1. That really is so crazy.

As for their durability, it seems it would be much higher than planet for sure. If Earth HP really is 999,999, and Ouroboros attack was gonna obliterate a star... the numbers get very crazy. Just everyone's damage gets maxed out, so it really becomes like fighting a boss in a game, with high HP. They could have star level AP and durability, but funnily enough in the world of last boss that wouldn't matter. And then at like 3000 or 4200 her Ruphas already reached 1 billion and can punch solar systems away. So it makes sense that an Ouroboros stats are much higher
 
Idk how serious to take those statements said at the very end of the chapters ie these.

The Moon has an HP of 250,000 which if you take that as face value with the damage cap of 99,999 nobody should be able to destroy the Moon, but Orm easily nukes Mars, which logically would have higher HP than the Moon.

We can see from those that the Earth has the highest HP, so really to make sense of this nonsense, the damage cap is to prevent the destruction of the Earth, so this weird law only applies while on the Earth, in other words once they go off world they can do more than 99,999 damage.

Thinking about it the Earth Ouroboros while at the edge of the solar system created a black hole that was destroying the entire solar system, so clearly is doing more damage than just moon or planet busting, it was even affecting far away stars, so I think my theory works, the damage cap doesn't work outside Midgard.
 
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This really is just lazy of Alovenus then, because you'd think her script would not only account for Earth but the frickin universe when it comes to damage. Not even surprising on her part though. Reading back, even fire ouboros(certified benetnash simp), is freaking out Mars is gone...and it's way later in the fight Orm goes level 1500. Even better, it's directly said he's no normal level 1500, and that as a level 1000 he's stronger than Benet as a level 1000.

But as for 99,999 damage, would that still be considered planetary destruction? I don't think we can utilize that anymore tbh. Since the point is to not destroy the planet. But I just don't know what'd it would actually be instead.
 
I think 99,999 will be whatever we decide Ouroboros tier people are, so at the very least High 5-A.

But yea makes my head hurt, because lets say someone has 99,998 HP, just shy of the damage limit, would we say their durability is close to High 5-A? What about 90,000? AWLBA logic makes no sense lol.
 
In the case of a normal profile, 99,998 hp will probably be still around high 5-A. Of course, in the case of the world itself, it's a 1 shot. So I guess...we take whatever the calc of the high 5-A feat is, and if the opponent has below that calc they uh, get 1 shot...? I dunno, because it feels crazy just typing that out. And in the case of destroying the stars, it'll be star level with breath attacks or something.

It's just level 99,999 was to prevent the attack from destroying Midgard, but still do considerable damage to the planet. Like Leon for example if we consider his hp it would have taken 10 shots or a little over. His hp was depleting fast pretty fast. But if 99,999 was that level I feel like the planet would have definitely crumbled under 1 attack.
 
The cap is 2 fold, it restricts damage to 99,999, and also when the attack/damage hits the planet, damage is reduced even more, so you could have a planet busting attack which doesn't bust the planet, because once it touches the planet, the planet busting attack is no longer a planet busting attack.

My theory is you can think of 99,999 as being the limit to what the law can restrict/bring down so the planet isn't nuked, anything over that, is too powerful for the damage to be reduced. Ie lets say a High 5-A attack on Midgard becomes idk High 6-A once it touches the planet, but a 4-B attack is so powerful that even if it could be reduced it would still be 5-B.

Earth Ouroboros comes to mind, in that the black hole it created was going to destroy Midgard, so regardless of Midgard's laws which restrict damage it would have been too powerful to stop.
 
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So you could have a high 5-A attack get restricted due to the reduced damage to the planet. I guess even if the max damage is 99,999, the damage still gets mitigated when directed at the planet itself. But like against an enemy, it will still have that potency. Maybe. If we consider a star level attack, it's capable of restricting that to 99,999. But the solar system level attack numbers were so high it didn't get fully mitigated?

When it comes to the Earth ouroboros though tbh, I considered it was gonna due that because it was a unique skill. Like unique skills are permitted and thus it could've destroyed the planet. But at the same time, bracchium is also a unique skill, but it gets limited. So that theory could work. It's just whacky because you wouldn't think the Goddess law gets bypassed by damage like that. But I guess the script/higher protity skills and rules are somewhat different from damage limiting rules? Or it could just be Alovenus was bad at setting a damage threshold lol, which is possible.
 
I think Alovenus was bad at setting a damage threshold, she is notorious bad at complex stuff lol. The damage cap laws are slap dash, because Alovenus is 3rd rate author.
 
Definitely, too many holes in her systems. The author even made a short little side story with some chapters a while ago dealing with Alovenus and a test subject for reincarnation. And somehow, manages to give him the worst cheat skill ever lol. She can also ressurect people who have died but it would mess with the timelines which she'd need to fix, and she's lazy, so she reincarnates them. So I think it's safe to say a threshold issue isn't too off
 
Think I will post the next thread in a bit too, just basically to add some quotes to the cosmology blog.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Stuff about world between dimensions, and clarification on dimensions I'm guessing.
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Not really, just some more quoted about Alovenus being the author/admin/player.

Don't think dimensions need clarifying unless I am forgetting someth8ng.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Not really, just some more quoted about Alovenus being the author/admin/player.

Don't think dimensions need clarifying unless I am forgetting someth8ng.
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You're right, dimensions probably not as relevant right now. Though it does make everything come together in terms of folders/data and higher dimensions. Though the river of dimensions and stuff is interesting.

Alovenus is also being called the author, the story a plot in the manga as well in recent chapters. Seems to be made more clear she is essentially the author, and each universe is like a story.
 
It's funny because I remember seeing the authors response in Twitter dms saying they do "beyond infinite^infinite" attacks each time. Extra danmaku addition moment. Well, not useable because it's a dm answer, but we know it in our minds lol
 
Enter_Bluey said:
beyond infinite^infinite
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Even beyond hyper-inaccessible cardinal, lol.
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An update I guess, probably over half way through edits for abilities.

Hopefully tomorrow with the holiday I can finish the rest, but who knows, barely get much time to relax on holidays it seems.

After all that's done can get to speed revisions.
 
Speed CRT is basically ready, just need a couple calcs, approved to post it.

Having all the info in one place, kind of changed my mind on some things, for example I think level 1000's, without amps should be Sub-Relativistc+, and then with amps Relativistic
 
By level 1000s without amps do you mean without stuff like doping, and normal level 1000s? To be fair, Ruphas says "individuals at the level of" her and Benet are over Mach 100,000. Could have meant those who kept going up on stats even at level 1000. Which I think she mentioned not many did

Now that I think about it they probably also have perception manipulation given they dilute time in their vision to practically come to a stop. Proven with that time ring thing
 
I meant level 1000's who don't have skills which boost speed. I am inclined to believe the Mach 100,000 statement refers to Amped Ruphas and Benet, seeing as the other feat of Ruphas being able to lap around the planet, which I calc at Mach 117,000, was stated to have been done at Ruphas maximum speed.

You could argue that just meant her max without skills, but it's referring to her battle with Orm, and the majority of that fight happened after Ruphas was using skills.

Though honestly normal level 1000 vs amped level 1000 can throw a wrench in that argument. Level 800's like Castor could keep up with Sol after getting boosted by Parthenos, and she did like 2 speed buffs, one double speed, and another one. Terra who is a normal level 1000 also got a boost to keep up, if we say level 800's are Mach 40,000, a 3x boost would correspond to the Mach 117,000 feat.

But yea think I have to revisit that Sol fight again, before posting anything. Relativistic could very much stay. Level 800's are definitely only Mach 40,000 though imo, Libra also is comparable somewhat to level 1000's, but is slower underwater.
 
I think mach 100,000 and then higher with amps may be more consistent. Especially since we don't really have Benet having those kind of skill buffs normally unless she's actually under a full moon. Plus Ruphas didn't buff herself either for some time in their fight. Even after Benet got faster she used predictions. Unless there is some discrepancy with flight/travel speed and battle? She is likely talking about compressing internal time for themselves and stuff when saying mach 100,000. This is the situation with the time ring too, so it doesn't really look to factor in buffs.

That and yeah the amount of buffs actually needed for lvl 800s to keep up with a lvl 1000s match up with it. Plus if she is just flying/travelling I doubt she's using these skills unless in combat. The fight with Orm was also not just buffs but a ton of debuffs to counteract each other too so factoring in skills there could lead to a variance in her explanation
 
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