A Small Thor Update

[Ultima_Reality]

So, the changes have been applied.

Thor (Marvel Comics)

Thor Odinson is the Asgardian god of thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...

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I'll leave the thread open for a bit, so people can look at the profile and raise any objections they might have.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

So, the changes have been applied.

Thor (Marvel Comics)

Thor Odinson is the Asgardian god of thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...

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I'll leave the thread open for a bit, so people can look at the profile and raise any objections they might have.

Oh, also: Thor fixed Mjolnir in the latest Thor Annual, so, I took the liberty to remove the "Mjolnir is broken" thing from the weaknesses.

 

[Abu2411]

So, the changes have been applied.

Thor (Marvel Comics)

Thor Odinson is the Asgardian god of thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...

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I'll leave the thread open for a bit, so people can look at the profile and raise any objections they might have.

Does his statistics amplification higjlights how he can increase his strength by tapping into his life-essence? I think it only has Megingjord explanation.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So, the changes have been applied.

Thor (Marvel Comics)

Thor Odinson is the Asgardian god of thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...

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High 1-A and Immeasurable speed Thor

Jokes aside, it's looking good, but just curious, wouldn't he have Immeasurable Lifting Strength by scaling to MYTHOS and seemingly ripping off his arm, or is that not valid LS scaling?

Oh, also: Thor fixed Mjolnir in the latest Thor Annual, so, I took the liberty to remove the "Mjolnir is broken" thing from the weaknesses.

I'm guessing this might be covered in Part 3, but would Sif stating that Mjolnir is stronger than ever affect any of its stats?

 

[KLOL506]

One thing. M.Y.T.H.O.S is MODOK I presume?

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

One thing. M.Y.T.H.O.S is MODOK I presume?

yep

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

So, the changes have been applied.

Thor (Marvel Comics)

Thor Odinson is the Asgardian god of thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...

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Should Thor's feats of shattering Yggdrasil's root and overpowering the World Engine be mentioned in his justification?

 

[Eseseso]

Should Thor's feats of shattering Yggdrasil's root and overpowering the World Engine be mentioned in his justification?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[KLOL506]

Should Thor's feats of shattering Yggdrasil's root and overpowering the World Engine be mentioned in his justification?

I remember Eficiente having problems with the latter feat but I'd rather trust Ultima's word over his on this one so I'll wait to see what he has to say about the two feats, given this was Thor's absolute maximum potential that would end up being suicide for him.

Also, MODOK will get a MYTHOS key eventually, right?

 

[Eseseso]

Also, MODOK will get a MYTHOS key eventually, right?

Probably

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

I could make a CRT for it during the weekend (if no one else is planning to do it?)

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Should Thor's feats of shattering Yggdrasil's root and overpowering the World Engine be mentioned in his justification?

The former seems like a garden-variety outlier, from the look I had of it. Later on I'll read further into the latter feat to better determine if it should be included.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The former seems like a garden-variety outlier, from the look I had of it. Later on I'll read further into the latter feat to better determine if it should be included.

What about the Godbomb feat?

 

[Gasper]

I personally wouldn't say so. M.Y.T.H.O.S as far as i know didn't show any immesurable LS feats.

Though his world engine feat should definitely scale to his true essence.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I personally wouldn't say so. M.Y.T.H.O.S as far as i know didn't show any immesurable LS feats.

Would MYTHOS scaling to Yggdrasil not be enough for Immeasurable LS? If not, then I guess that can be ignored

Though his world engine feat should definitely scale to his true essence.

Okay

 

[Gasper]

Would MYTHOS scaling to Yggdrasil not be enough for Immeasurable LS? If not, then I guess that can be ignored

I'm not sure how we treat immeasurable LS honestly.

 

[Gasper]

Can this be closed?

 

[Antvasima]

@Ultima_Reality

Is there anything left to do here?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Ultima_Reality

Is there anything left to do here?

I left the thread open for the moment, so people could comment on the applied changes and potentially raise objections they might have.

Before I close this, I suppose I should ask for confirmation one more time: Is everyone fine with the changes?

 

[Gasper]

Yes indeed

 

[Excellence616]

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

I left the thread open for the moment, so people could comment on the applied changes and potentially raise objections they might have.

Before I close this, I suppose I should ask for confirmation one more time: Is everyone fine with the changes?

They seem fine to me at least.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?type=revision&diff=8151173&oldid=8147762

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

I left the thread open for the moment, so people could comment on the applied changes and potentially raise objections they might have.

Before I close this, I suppose I should ask for confirmation one more time: Is everyone fine with the changes?

yep

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I left the thread open for the moment, so people could comment on the applied changes and potentially raise objections they might have.

Before I close this, I suppose I should ask for confirmation one more time: Is everyone fine with the changes?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

The former seems like a garden-variety outlier, from the look I had of it. Later on I'll read further into the latter feat to better determine if it should be included.

Why can't shattering Yggdrasil's root be an expression of his life essence?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Man this cooked

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with pretty much everything, but I'll add a few things to back it up.

In Thor's epic collection of the Worldengine, there is good and interesting interview. And in a Question to Mark Gruenwald (Editor), he claims that characters like Thor operate on such a level that their conflicts could literally bring about the end of existence, and they are not altogether invulnerable. The way the writers work Thor, it's not as if he's an immortal being who will survive everything, but it's worth pointing out that he is specifically worked into confrontations that threaten all of existence. Of course, what i mean is Thor's physical body can be harmed in every way, although his "life-essence/divine" is powerful enough to grant his aspect a huge power.

So, whatever we call this being "Thor's true essence", "Life-essence", "godhood", "Divinity", all these things converge into one concept, which is: Any character who is a Thor has an aspect of that essence of Thor.

• Thor's "life-essence" powers gives portions of powers for Donald Blake, Beta Ray Bill, and Eric Masterson, because they have "aspects of Thor's own power", the very essence of Thor has become confused about his individual identity.
• Norvell has the vital essence of Thor.
• Beta-Ray Bill is gifted with a portion of the power and nature of Thor.
• Red Norvell, Thunderstrike, and Beta Ray Bill are gifted with ate least a portion of the aspect of Thor

Hence, any feat that characters with Thor's power has, is necessarily something that comes from Thor's "divinity". Like when the effect of the power of two Thors colliding generated the same energy as the Big Bang that generated all the planes of reality. There is also this feat where post Unworthy Thor and Jane Foster merge their god-blast to drive away the phoenix force that was emanating directly from the White Hot Room.


This is also a good part of the development, and is justifiable for Thor's life-essence, because all the Thors in the Multiverse are just aspects of that one essence. That's why there are many Lokis, just as there are many thor and many balders. Each one exists apart from the others, yet is conjoinded by a shared essence, like branches on a tree.

There are other things that could be added to this, but I think it's going to be big and will go a long way into part 3 on the nature of the Gods. But in essence, the divine nature, or "true form" that transcends all of Thor's physical flesh (aspects), is sufficient justification for such power. And of course, that physical body can tap into that power.

Btw, what do you think about this, @Ultima_Reality ?

 

[Gasper]

Can this be closed?

 

[Antvasima]

Shouldn't we wait for @Ultima_Reality ?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Why can't shattering Yggdrasil's root be an expression of his life essence?

Largely because the feat has so little context to it. In other instances where Thor is tapping into his inner strength, it's generally made fairly clear (Both in the M.Y.T.H.O.S battle, where he is explicitly using "the Power of Thor" after the Odinforce was robbed of him, and in Avengers 1,000,000 B.C, where he is displaying feats of strength as an unborn fetus and then as a newborn to emphasize his raw potential). This one is an offscreen thing that's mentioned in passing.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Largely because the feat has so little context to it. In other instances where Thor is tapping into his inner strength, it's generally made fairly clear (Both in the M.Y.T.H.O.S battle, where he is explicitly using "the Power of Thor" after the Odinforce was robbed of him, and in Avengers 1,000,000 B.C, where he is displaying feats of strength as an unborn fetus and then as a newborn to emphasize his raw potential). This one is an offscreen thing that's mentioned in passing.

Then can't we put something like "Shattered the root of Yggdrasil, though it's unclear if he accomplished this via his life essence"?

 

[LordTracer]

Minor thing, but shouldn’t Thor get Beyond-Dimensional Existence now?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Then can't we put something like "Shattered the root of Yggdrasil, though it's unclear if he accomplished this via his life essence"?

@Ultima_Reality I do believe this should at least be mentioned, even if we acknowledge that it's only supporting evidence.

 

[Eseseso]

So Thor's inner essence is indeed consistently written as something that, when channeled, puts him up to par with cosmic things. In fact, Astonishing Thor #3 has Thor himself muse that, though his physical form is bound by 3-dimensional space, his inner divinity is not. It in fact transcends dimensions, again hammering in home that Thor's inner power and potential go vastly beyond his regular state of existence.

Minor thing, but shouldn’t Thor get Beyond-Dimensional Existence now?

Makes sense to me.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

Please let's conclude this so we can do 2-C Herald revisions

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

What’s left to do here?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

What’s left to do here?

I just want to add "Shattered the root of Yggdrasil" as a supporting feat for Thor's life essence. Ultima hasn't replied so far.

 

[Confluctor]

Sentry scales btw

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with pretty much everything, but I'll add a few things to back it up.

In Thor's epic collection of the Worldengine, there is good and interesting interview. And in a Question to Mark Gruenwald (Editor), he claims that characters like Thor operate on such a level that their conflicts could literally bring about the end of existence, and they are not altogether invulnerable. The way the writers work Thor, it's not as if he's an immortal being who will survive everything, but it's worth pointing out that he is specifically worked into confrontations that threaten all of existence. Of course, what i mean is Thor's physical body can be harmed in every way, although his "life-essence/divine" is powerful enough to grant his aspect a huge power.

So, whatever we call this being "Thor's true essence", "Life-essence", "godhood", "Divinity", all these things converge into one concept, which is: Any character who is a Thor has an aspect of that essence of Thor.

• Thor's "life-essence" powers gives portions of powers for Donald Blake, Beta Ray Bill, and Eric Masterson, because they have "aspects of Thor's own power", the very essence of Thor has become confused about his individual identity.
• Norvell has the vital essence of Thor.
• Beta-Ray Bill is gifted with a portion of the power and nature of Thor.
• Red Norvell, Thunderstrike, and Beta Ray Bill are gifted with ate least a portion of the aspect of Thor

Hence, any feat that characters with Thor's power has, is necessarily something that comes from Thor's "divinity". Like when the effect of the power of two Thors colliding generated the same energy as the Big Bang that generated all the planes of reality. There is also this feat where post Unworthy Thor and Jane Foster merge their god-blast to drive away the phoenix force that was emanating directly from the White Hot Room.


This is also a good part of the development, and is justifiable for Thor's life-essence, because all the Thors in the Multiverse are just aspects of that one essence. That's why there are many Lokis, just as there are many thor and many balders. Each one exists apart from the others, yet is conjoinded by a shared essence, like branches on a tree.

There are other things that could be added to this, but I think it's going to be big and will go a long way into part 3 on the nature of the Gods. But in essence, the divine nature, or "true form" that transcends all of Thor's physical flesh (aspects), is sufficient justification for such power. And of course, that physical body can tap into that power.

@Ultima_Reality

So what do we currently need to do here?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Btw, what do you think about this, @Ultima_Reality ?

It's true, yeah. Gods do, in fact, have multiverse-spanning essences. The idea is pretty much that they exist primarily as archetypes and myths woven into the collective unconscious, and their physical selves just emanate out of those essences.

@Ultima_Reality I do believe this should at least be mentioned, even if we acknowledge that it's only supporting evidence.

I suppose listing it as supporting evidence is something I wouldn't have a problem with.