A simple yet devastating Undertale Nerf

[Jaften]

depicted: roughly how VSBW Sans matchmakers treat Sans

 

[Board3659]

I know this is kind of over but

I agree especially since how tf does san beat Flowey when he has no soul so wouldn't he only be able to use TK against him if his atks are just Soul based?

 

[Comiphorous]

I know this is kind of over but

I agree especially since how tf does san beat Flowey when he has no soul so wouldn't he only be able to use TK against him if his atks are just Soul based?

hate to break it you but this CRT didn't affect sans at all. this has been said multiple times through the thread.

 

[Board3659]

hate to break it you but this CRT didn't affect sans at all. this has been said multiple times through the thread.

wouldn't it affect any other monster though since they don't have Karma

 

[Comiphorous]

wouldn't it affect any other monster though since they don't have Karma

Karma isn't why he still keeps full dura neg.

 

[Board3659]

Karma isn't why he still keeps full dura neg.

it's stated multiple times

what else would it even be? Unless I missed something

 

[Comiphorous]

it's stated multiple times

mind giving my in game proof its the reason he fully durability negates frisk?

what else would it even be? Unless I missed something

Just his magic? KR is just soul poison. sans ignores all armor items regardless how much DEF it gives you.

 

[Board3659]

Just his magic? KR is just soul poison. sans ignores all armor items regardless how much DEF it gives you.

How does he even hurt flowey???

He has no soul so his TK won't work since it's Soul based Gravity Manip and his other atks are clearly soul based so how does he even win against Flowey consistently

Unless his TK is also physical (but we only see the soul being moved around so I don't think that correlates to physical TK and even then is it even enough to hurt Flowey significantly enough)

 

[Comiphorous]

How does he even hurt flowey???

He has no soul so his TK won't work since it's Soul based Gravity Manip and his other atks are clearly soul based so how does he even win against Flowey consistently

Good question.

 

[Board3659]

the only evidence of it being physical is slamming frisk to walls but that's his SOUL

if we assume his soul it connected to his body when moving during a fight so when Sans does TK, he moves the SOUL which moves the body then wouldn't the SOUL be already gravity affected making the Blue soul pointless?

It also doesn't explain how Flowey is even affected since he has no SOUL

 

[DaReaperMan]

the only evidence of it being physical is slamming frisk to walls but that's his SOUL

if we assume his soul it connected to his body when moving during a fight so when Sans does TK, he moves the SOUL which moves the body then wouldn't the SOUL be already gravity affected making the Blue soul pointless?

It also doesn't explain how Flowey is even affected since he has no SOUL

Hence why once Flowey gets an actual durability rating I'm making a CRT to scale Sans' normal Magic to Flowey's durability

 

[Board3659]

Hence why once Flowey gets an actual durability rating I'm making a CRT to scale Sans' normal Magic to Flowey's durability

Good

 

[ImmortalDread]

Hence why once Flowey gets an actual durability rating I'm making a CRT to scale Sans' normal Magic to Flowey's durability

W dareaperman

 

[ShionAH]

Hence why once Flowey gets an actual durability rating I'm making a CRT to scale Sans' normal Magic to Flowey's durability

Why doesnt he scale to toriel? She was obviously serious why shouldnt she be?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why doesnt he scale to toriel? She was obviously serious why shouldnt she be?

I got tired of arguing, though admittedly the main arguments were scaling his AP not his Durability so that's probably the reason

https://vsbattles.com/threads/flowey-9-b-downgrade-slight-monster-weakness-change.146821/

 

[Board3659]

I still think only San's Karma is full Dura Neg

His normal attacks should still be partial imo and scale to Flowers Durability which hopefully is 9-A

 

[Bendynoah10]

Nah sans is the only one effected the rest aren't don't why y'all are trying to make it effect the rest of them

 

[ShionAH]

Nah sans is the only one effected the rest aren't don't why y'all are trying to make it effect the rest of them

Stop

I still think only San's Karma is full Dura Neg

His normal attacks should still be partial imo and scale to Flowers Durability which hopefully is 9-A

Wrong they hit every frame.

I got tired of arguing, though admittedly the main arguments were scaling his AP not his Durability so that's probably the reason

very weird...

 

[Board3659]

Nah sans is the only one effected the rest aren't

is there a reason why?


Toriel fire is able to hit flowey so it should be partial dura manip

 

[Bendynoah10]

is there a reason why?


Toriel fire is able to hit flowey so it should be partial dura manip

Sans is the only one effected that's why as you can see im joking

 

[Board3659]

Wrong they hit every frame.

they hit the SOUL every frame

Flowey has no soul so TK won't affect

 

[DaReaperMan]

I still think only San's Karma is full Dura Neg

His normal attacks should still be partial imo and scale to Flowers Durability which hopefully is 9-A

Sans deals constant damage and ignores the invincibility frames with all of his attacks, no matter what you equip or what your armor rating is Sans' damage isn't effected, that's objectively dura neg lol

 

[Bendynoah10]

Three pages of people arguing about goat moms durability neg crazy

 

[ShionAH]

Sans deals constant damage and ignores the invincibility frames with all of his attacks, no matter what you equip or what your armor rating is Sans' damage isn't effected, that's objectively dura neg lol

Should we try floweys dura 9-A again? The reasoning makes no sense to me

 

[DaReaperMan]

they hit the SOUL every frame

Flowey has no soul

And Flowey's 9-A as is right now scales to ******* Papyrus. Papyrus is a lot lower in the scaling chain then Genocide Frisk.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Should we try floweys dura 9-A again? The reasoning makes no sense to me

Go argue it on the CRT I linked dude

 

[Bendynoah10]

Should we try floweys dura 9-A again? The reasoning makes no sense to me

No I think he's good

 

[DaReaperMan]

No I think he's good

Blunty put, If your only here to shitpost just shut up and leave, you contribute nothing to this discussion.

 

[Board3659]

And Flowey's 9-A as is right now scales to ******* Papyrus. Papyrus is a lot lower in the scaling chain then Genocide Frisk.

that's odd since he tanked a hit from Toriel but whatever

 

[DaReaperMan]

that's odd since he tanked a hit from Toriel but whatever

Hence why i linked the CRT in a post above so you can argue Flowey's durability being flat 9-A!

 

[Bendynoah10]

that's odd since he tanked a hit from Toriel but whatever

Why argue it here when this thread is about durability neg I know I was shit posting but like in the similar thread sections the flowey thread is there

 

[Board3659]

Sans deals constant damage and ignores the invincibility frames with all of his attacks, no matter what you equip or what your armor rating is Sans' damage isn't effected, that's objectively dura neg lol

if this is the reason then ok that's fine

 

[Board3659]

Hence why i linked the CRT in a post above so you can argue Flowey's durability being flat 9-A!

ok thanks

 

[ShionAH]

if this is the reason then ok that's fine

Wrong they hit every frame.

 

[Board3659]

wouldn't that be me agree with you???

 

[Board3659]

ok so Sans is full dura neg but everyone else is partial right? (besides Chara also being full dura neg but whatever)

 

[DaReaperMan]

ok so Sans is full dura neg but everyone else is partial right? (besides Chara also being full dura neg but whatever)

Perhaps

 

[Ikelaggan]

How does he even hurt flowey???

He has no soul so his TK won't work since it's Soul based Gravity Manip and his other atks are clearly soul based so how does he even win against Flowey consistently

Unless his TK is also physical (but we only see the soul being moved around so I don't think that correlates to physical TK and even then is it even enough to hurt Flowey significantly enough)

I already solved that question before

 

[ShionAH]

I already solved that question before

link ded

 

[Board3659]

link ded

fail you didn't put a : before //