A not so regular size downgrade (Way Big downgrade)

Currently, we scale Ben's Way Big to Albedo's Way Big, who destroyed a planet in Cosmic Destruction.

But there's an enormous problem with that:
- They made it clear that Ben could only had a chance of fighting that To'kustar if he uses Potis Altiare, otherwise, he would get stomped, literally.

So, Way Big shouldn't scale to a feat done by someone way stronger than him.​

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So, what now?​

We can still scale Way Big to:​

• The Conquest Ray destroying Pluto​
• Malware surviving the destruction of Galvan B​

Making him 5-A (Large Planet level).

This would of course affect the current scaling chain of the rest of Ben's aliens.

Agree: @Firestorm808, @Maverick_Zero_X (upscaling from Conquest Ray), @Ben_10_Stick_Nodes, @Infinitinet, @Ghengiroo115, @Dark_Soul20189, @Hellformer
Disagree:
Neutral:​

 

[GeneralSol16]

Minor correction, I was basically the one person against the 5-A upgrade. But yeah everyone is 5-A/High 5-A because of Way Big, so they’d all be affected if this goes through. If they did have actual feats then I wouldn’t have been against the original upgrade lol

Ironically, ngl, cuz it was your post that made everyone think "hey, they also scale from this"

 

[GeneralSol16]

We could adjust the "Mechamorphs repair Galvan B" thing to be 5-A if we use the statement of Rouleau of being six times bigger than our Moon.

And also we have the fact that Galvanic Mechamorphs tanked the destruction of Galvan B, not just Malware did.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Looks good to me, I agree with the downgrade.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump^2

 

[Hellformer]

I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:

• This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
• Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
• Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
• AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
• AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
• Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)

 

[Firestorm808]

Replacement scaling in the OP seems okay.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Wasn’t the ping pong pong ping machine in the game confirmed to give a 10x amp? Couldn’t you just downscale waybig from that?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Wasn’t the ping pong pong ping machine in the game confirmed to give a 10x amp? Couldn’t you just downscale waybig from that?

The what

 

[GeneralSol16]

I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:

• This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
• Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
• Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
• AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
• AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
• Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)

Isn't the Conquest Ray just 5-A? Like 30 or 40 Yottatons or so.
Especially cuz the Earth end wasn't accepted.

 

[Firestorm808]

The what

The Artifact in the game.

 

[Firestorm808]

Wasn’t the ping pong pong ping machine in the game confirmed to give a 10x amp? Couldn’t you just downscale waybig from that?

Do we have a statement for that multiplier?

 

[GeneralSol16]

The Artifact.

Ah, lol.
I don't think it was ever mentioned, tho.

 

[Hellformer]

Isn't the Conquest Ray just 5-A? Like 30 or 40 Yottatons or so.
Especially cuz the Earth end wasn't accepted.

The earth end had no issue, as seen in the comments

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Do we have a statement for that multiplier?

someone posted it earlier in the thread, saying it amps someone by 7 fold

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

It says that in increases the user's normal abilities 7 fold.

here

 

[Spectral69420]

It doesn't even say seven fold, it says several.

 

[REX9097]

It doesn't even say seven fold, it says several.

He literally said it increases abilities (like Cosmic Ray) not strength, which means WayBig is still comparable to Negation Waybig.

 

[Firestorm808]

here

Do we have the actual quote to work with?

 

[BlastX]

I agree

 

[Hellformer]

Do we have the actual quote to work with?

I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:

• This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
• Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
• Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
• AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
• AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
• Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)

Can we use this instead?

 

[REX9097]

Can we use this instead?

Replacement scaling seems okay.

 

[Hellformer]

I wanted to confirm if he said that in context to the thread or my reply

 

[Firestorm808]

Can we use this instead?

If the calculation blog has been accepted, then it can be used.

 

[GeneralSol16]

The earth end had no issue, as seen in the comments

The accepted post doesn't have a Earth End at all.
You're referring to the other calc, which Earth End was rejected since we don't have a timeframe for the feat.

 

[Lort15]

The accepted post doesn't have a Earth End at all.
You're referring to the other calc, which Earth End was rejected since we don't have a timeframe for the feat.

It does bro check it carefully

 

[Hellformer]

If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

• Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here

Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)

 

[GeneralSol16]

If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)

Actually, I think this'd work.

Also, if necessary, we can calc The Mechamorphs feat of repairing Galvan B with the 6x Earth"s moon size to have more consistent values.

And maybe calc the durability of Mechamophs for tanking the destruction of Galvan B, too.

 

[Lort15]

wild

 

[Hellformer]

Actually, I think this'd work.

Also, if necessary, we can calc The Mechamorphs feat of repairing Galvan B with the 6x Earth"s moon size to have more consistent values.

And maybe calc the durability of Mechamophs for tanking the destruction of Galvan B, too.

Then ask someone to calc those Feats

 

[GeneralSol16]

Then ask someone to calc those Feats

Idk who does that ngl

 

[REX9097]

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

Is not this is 4.3 Ronnatons

 

[Hellformer]

Is not this is 4.3 Ronnatons

Yes

 

[Hellformer]

Idk who does that ngl

Then we can go with this as an alternative for now

If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)

 

[GeneralSol16]

Then we can go with this as an alternative for now

Agree.
But we need more input.

 

[Hellformer]

Agree.
But we need more input.

One more right? Share it with DDM

 

[GeneralSol16]

One more right? Share it with DDM

Who

 

[Hellformer]

Who

DarkDragonMedeus

 

[GeneralSol16]

DarkDragonMedeus

For more input? Or help calculate everything?

 

[Hellformer]

For more input? Or help calculate everything?

Input