A modest Arceus CRT

[Sniper670]

Shouldn't Arceus get NEP?
The Creation Story:

All that was there in the beginning was a swell of chaos (混沌のうねり).
Everything intermingled together, and an egg appeared in the center.

Also the origin forms of the CT are mentioned by Arceus to be Primordial Chaos, confirming that they're all fundamental nothingness that preceeded reality.

This should grant it nep type 2, Aspect type 1 and 3 as he predates the heart that was conceptualized into existence. Heart(or spirit) in Pokémon is the metaphysical aspect of existence(mind, soul).

Arceus should also have Madness Manipulation type 3 from here

Also this isn't included in crt, just a question. Shouldn't Arceus be able to negate all the immortalities in the verse? Logically speaking he should, since that's what his plates does, negate stuff including all Pokémon powers, abilities etc

That's it.

Agrees: theultimate5105, Arceus0x, Faron25, Thelastmlg, Ego, REZ, the_real_cal_howard
Disagrees:xxkingxx69
Neutral: DarkDragonMedeus

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Arceus is literally confirmed to have a spirit. His could just be a spirit that existed before humans got a spirit

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[XXKINGXX69]

Causing people to lose their mind isn't madness manip. "lose your mind" is a common term for people just being very shocked over something

 

[Aether2734]

I remember strym already brought this topic before

 

[Sniper670]

Arceus is literally confirmed to have a spirit. His could just be a spirit that existed before humans got a spirit

No? Even Arceus True self is something no one knows about. Unless you're referring to his Avatar sure.

As the creation story indicated, the heart(spirit) was created after the LT wished it into being

 

[Sniper670]

Causing people to lose their mind isn't madness manip. "lose your mind" is a common term for people just being very shocked over something

What? Thtas not even the context of the scan. They went mad

 

[Sniper670]

I remember strym already brought this topic before

Yup. He said he was waiting for Pokémon Called Gods completion but he never returned

 

[Arceus0x]

Causing people to lose their mind isn't madness manip. "lose your mind" is a common term for people just being very shocked over something

except the context implies the exact opposite of what you are saying. He doesn't just make them go "oh wowza arceus is poggers strong" nah he makes them literally lose their minds and the character in question literally commends you for being able to be within his prescense.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yup. He said he was waiting for Pokémon Called Gods completion but he never returned

he always does that

 

[Aether2734]

Yup. He said he was waiting for Pokémon Called Gods completion but he never returned

Btw, instead use this scan

There's also the fact that He encompasses everything in the cosmology, which would include both within(Time/space) and outside(primordial chaos)reality

Better use this scan

 

[Lewis]

Delete key possibly low1c

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[Sniper670]

Better use this scan

Thanks. Updated

 

[theultimate5105]

I agree with this
And yes he should get the ability to negate all immortalities as all of them are granted from the plates and he can nullify every ability granted by the plates

 

[Sniper670]

Delete key possibly low1c

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For Arceus? I don't mind that tbh(kinda useless in tier 1). But this crt is not for that

 

[XXKINGXX69]

As the creation story indicated, the heart(spirit) was created after the LT wished it into being

Yeah, the heart of everyone else was created after the lake guardians made them exist. The original spirit is literally just a spirit

No? Even Arceus True self is something no one knows about. Unless you're referring to his Avatar sure.

The hiker is literally talking about the original spirit

 

[Sniper670]

Yeah, the heart of everyone else was created after the lake guardians made them exist. The original spirit is literally just a spirit

Says who? Don't tell me a hiker. We literally got to know a tiny little bit about his true form.in PLA. The hiker was only speculating. Hiker:
"Is Arceus the physical form of the Original Spirit?"

The hiker is literally talking about the original spirit

The hiker wasnt even sure who the Original One was. Which is why he posed it as a question. It was literally only confirmed in PLA. I don't blame him tho. His true form has never been in the multiverse iirc, besides his Avatars

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Says who? Don't tell me a hiker. We literally got to know a tiny little bit about his true form.in PLA. The hiker was only speculating. Hiker:
"Is Arceus the physical form of the Original Spirit?"

The hiker wasnt even sure who the Original One was. Which is why he posed it as a question. It was literally only confirmed in PLA. I don't blame him tho. His true form has never been in the multiverse iirc, besides his Avatars

Dude you're using statements from PLA from people who also don't know about Arceus, so thats double standard

Also, when he said "Could that Pokemon be the physical form of the original spirit?", he wasn't posing the question that the original spirit was a spirit, he was posing the question that Arceus could be the physical form of the original spirit. So he was sure the original spirit was a spirit as he said the way he sees it, the original spirit is a spirit, but he wasn't 100% sure if Arceus was the physical form of the original spirit (we know later that its confirmed arceus is the physical form)

Also, why wouldn't the original spirit be a spirit? Saying it isn't is basically saying "a spirit isn't a spirit"

 

[Sniper670]

Show me where in PLA, Original One was referred to as the Original Spirit. Cos it's in PLA, his true form was properly introduced, albeit limited.
You can also check the Japanese version

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CPokemon/pla-text/master/story/en.txt

Look no further. That's the text dump of the entire PLA. And those are inscriptions on the plates, not a hiker.

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The Engravings are here. Unless you want to tell me Hiker theories>>>>>Engravings arceus put on the plates

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Show me where in PLA, Original One was referred to as the Original Spirit. Cos it's in PLA, his true form was properly introduced, albeit limited.
You can also check the Japanese version

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CPokemon/pla-text/master/story/en.txt

Look no further. That's the text dump of the entire PLA. And those are inscriptions on the plates, not a hiker.

Plate - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

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The Engravings are here. Unless you want to tell me Hiker theories>>>>>Engravings arceus put on the plates

I just sent you a scan where the hiker says the original spirit is what created the world, proving he's the original one

 

[Sniper670]

I don't think I'll be the first person to take you seriously

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just sent you a scan where the hiker says the original spirit is what created the world, proving he's the original one

KING, the Hiker is not a good source, the plates Arceus made and engraved itself are a good source.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

KING, the Hiker is not a good source, the plates Arceus made and engraved itself are a good source.

The hiker's words are accepted though. Don't comment if you dont scale pokemon

 

[DaReaperMan]

The hiker's words are accepted though. Don't comment if you dont scale pokemon

Then we unaccept them, this is a CRT. We revise content here.

And as for your other comment, you were reported for pulling things like that you know.

 

[TheGatememer]

I’m quite sure that regardless of your knowledge on the verse, the literal god of the verse is more credible than some hiker.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Then we unaccept them, this is a CRT. We revise content here.

And as for your other comment, you were reported for pulling things like that you know.

Who is "we"?

I am just telling you to not comment here because I know you're just doing it out of spite since you dont actually scale pokemon

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I’m quite sure that regardless of your knowledge on the verse, the literal god of the verse is more credible than some hiker.

The god doesn't contradict the hiker, they're statements aren't related to each other and are separate things

 

[Sniper670]

But the hiker contradicts the God and the lore

Spirit came into being after the LT wished it into existence.

Nowhere was Arceus referred to as a literal spirit, besides the hiker who was speculating the entire time as it is something that it predates.

It is right here.

 

[theultimate5105]

The Original Spirit isn’t even referenced in the Japanese Version

 

[DaReaperMan]

Who is "we"?

I am just telling you to not comment here because I know you're just doing it out of spite since you dont actually scale pokemon

You, me, the OP, the people coming to this thread lol

Yes, I don't like you, that doesn't mean I can't call out asinine scans that aren't from credible sources. And personally, I don't care for scaling Pokémon, does that exclude me from threads regarding Pokémon? Apsolutely not.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

But the hiker contradicts the God and the lore

Spirit came into being after the LT wished it into existence.

Nowhere was Arceus referred to as a literal spirit, besides the hiker who was speculating the entire time as it is something that it predates.

It is right here.

He didn't speculate. That does not contradict anything, it literally just means the lake guardians created the spirit of other people and Arceus' spirit existed before that

You also used another legend. I just showed you where the original spirit is stated to be a spirit

The Original Spirit isn’t even referenced in the Japanese Version

It is from the hiker and in the anime

You, me, the OP, the people coming to this thread lol

Yes, I don't like you, that doesn't mean I can't call out asinine scans that aren't from credible sources. And personally, I don't care for scaling Pokémon, does that exclude me from threads regarding Pokémon? Apsolutely not.

You can comment in threads of verses you don't know about but clearly you're not contributing here, you even said "we are going to unaccept this statement in this crt" which isn't even true

 

[Sniper670]

He didn't speculate. That does not contradict anything, it literally just means the lake guardians created the spirit of other people and Arceus' spirit existed before that

Now that's headcannon only King can make. Go back and reread the creation story, and look at the engravings.

You also used another legend. I just showed you where the original spirit is stated to be a spirit

Again. By a hiker who was mostly speculating(he literally speculated on Arceus True form)

It is from the hiker and in the anime

Where the scans. Why are you linking that tho

You can comment in threads of verses you don't know about but clearly you're not contributing here, you even said "we are going to unaccept this statement in this crt" which isn't even true

LOL. If anything, you're the only one we don't need here.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You can comment in threads of verses you don't know about but clearly you're not contributing here, you even said "we are going to unaccept this statement in this crt" which isn't even true

when in a CRT, nothing is "set in stone", with evidence and good enough arguments, anything can be challenged here. Your hiker scans are, bluntly put again from a source that isn't reliable.

 

[Sniper670]

This is literally how the hiker began. It's what he thinks,his opinion.

Now go back and read the inscriptions on the plates

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Yemma670

Do not be rude to other users. Posts like this, and more so this one are quite inflammatory and it is not good practice to laugh at your opponents' faces. You may debate if you wish, and I'm neutral here. But those types of attitudes are not productive.

Thank you.

 

[Sniper670]

I know.... But this dude. That's how he is. Extremely irritating.

I'm sorry tho

 

[Ego]

I'm sorry but what is abstract existence type 3?

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm sorry but what is abstract existence type 3?

Type 3 is a long gone AE, which is for character who are described as embodiment of something abstract, but doesn't have Incorporeality of AE Type 1 or Immortality type 8 that reliant on the abstraction that is the characteristic of AE Type 2. All and all it serve nothing more than having a fancy Abstract Existence on profile, it give no power or abilities

 

[Ego]

Type 3 is a long gone AE, which is for character who are described as embodiment of something abstract, but doesn't have Incorporeality of AE Type 1 or Immortality type 8 that reliant on the abstraction that is the characteristic of AE Type 2. All and all it serve nothing more than having a fancy Abstract Existence on profile, it give no power or abilities

So... it's nothing?

 

[Vietthai96]

So... it's nothing?

Yeah

 

[XXKINGXX69]

when in a CRT, nothing is "set in stone", with evidence and good enough arguments, anything can be challenged here. Your hiker scans are, bluntly put again from a source that isn't reliable.

Why is a guy that studied Arceus and the legends and was proven right by Arceus himself based on the same engravings you said were accurate not reliable?

Now that's headcannon only King can make. Go back and reread the creation story, and look at the engravings.

Again. By a hiker who was mostly speculating(he literally speculated on Arceus True form)

Where the scans. Why are you linking that tho

LOL. If anything, you're the only one we don't need here.

What headcanon? The engravings don't contradict it

He didn't speculate, he only speculated that Arceus had an avatar. The post you sent showed that he was sure the Original Spirit was the one who created all things. Even you agree with this