A High 1-A+ Revision (Star Maker profile revamp)

[BestMGQScalerEver]

So basically the tier justifications are in the profile and any missing abilities on current profile are either because I missed them or because I couldn't find a good justification going through the story and well the original profile is scanless and referenceless so cant blame me.

Completely revamped and improved with scans and references!
Old: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Maker?so=search
New: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:BestMGQScalerEver/Sandbox6

I talked with Ultima about tiering and he said both types of High 1-A+ are fine (but he never saw the revamped profile) so I recommend not taking my word for it and wait for him to give his opinion obviously.

Creative Mode falls under the 1st type of High 1-A+ which is the ability to actualize any "arbitrarily large" logical space, while Absolute Spirit falls under 2nd type which is embodying the framework of High 1-A+ and is vastly greater than what the 1st type of High 1-A+ can do.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

before taking a deeper look into the profile can I question why it is BDE 2 and not type 1? From my conversations with the admins, simply being outside only qualifies for type 1, and for type 2 you need to fully transcend it (qualitatively superior, I think the correct word was)?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

before taking a deeper look into the profile can I question why it is BDE 2 and not type 1? From my conversations with the admins, simply being outside only qualifies for type 1, and for type 2 you need to fully transcend it (qualitatively superior, I think the correct word was)?

I only added that as flavor really since being High 1-A+ usually defaults to BDE 2.

 

[Rutæhh]

already???

 

[AKUTO123]

I know "the all logical possibilities" Is high 1A + but one of link is doesn't work so can you send to the link

 

[BleedingPeach]

Thank you ♥
Now, I think that something is missing: Accelerated Development. "Why?" you may ask, well... since it was an "infant" the moment The Star Maker "born", each cosmos is more complex than the previous one.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Thank you ♥
Now, I think that something is missing: Accelerated Development. "Why?" you may ask, well... since it was an "infant" the moment The Star Maker "born", each cosmos is more complex than the previous one.

Eh... I don't know.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I know "the all logical possibilities" Is high 1A + but one of link is doesn't work so can you send to the link

Fixed

 

[BleedingPeach]

Eh... I don't know.

Read the blog for more information regarding that statement I've did. Let me check the new profile you made

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Read the blog for more information regarding that statement I've did. Let me check the new profile you made

I wouldn't say accelerated development since it just gradually "learns" from it's immaturity to create all possible creations to the end of time proper to itself when absolute spirit is "conceived".

 

[RaveeCPN]

I don't know much about the series but the justifications seem to be sufficient for the ratings IMO. Count me in

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I don't have any problem with High 1-A+, looking at the sandbox. Although the profile kind of sucks. I'll probably come back here with some suggested improvements, later.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I don't have any problem with High 1-A+, looking at the sandbox. Although the profile kind of sucks. I'll probably come back here with some suggested improvements, later.

my profile or original one or both. Anyways thanks in advance.

 

[Panpanpanjeidj]

Why is Star Maker not Tier 0.
It seems to me that the star maker is a logical almighty

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Why is Star Maker not Tier 0.
It seems to me that the star maker is a logical almighty

Retroactive causation of the Star Maker disqualifies tier 0. It's just weird because of it being timeless/eternal it exists before the causation of itself and is the cause of itself.

 

[Livinmeme]

Retroactive causation of the Star Maker disqualifies tier 0. It's just weird because of it being timeless/eternal it exists before the causation of itself and is the cause of itself.

He became what, in the eternal view, he already was in the beginning

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

He became what, in the eternal view, he already was in the beginning

I asked Ultima about this before and he essentially said it didn't matter.

 

[BleedingPeach]

After checking the sandbox, I've started to think that in the first key would be a Varies, up to High 1-A+, or the second key being High 1-A+, likely higher. But if that's not allowed then my apologies.

 

[Midirum]

bump

 

[Midirum]

bump?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Bump

 

[Midirum]

Bump

 

[Livinmeme]

you should 'probably call the mods

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

you should 'probably call the mods

I'm waiting for Ultima. He might read/reread the book too.

 

[Gasper]

Bump

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Yeah If it wasn't for that causation stuff you could easily argue him being 0. Unfortunate. But yeah Star Maker seems like the poster child for High 1-A+, right up there with Nemo. So easy agree for me

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

If Ultima is fine, I guess I am. But he seems there may need some tweaking in how it is organized.

 

[BleedingPeach]

After checking the sandbox, I've started to think that in the first key would be a Varies, up to High 1-A+, or the second key being High 1-A+, likely higher. But if that's not allowed then my apologies.

I'm gonna keep arguing for Accelerated Development, but not only that... Dream Manipulation also comes to hit in the spot.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I'm gonna keep arguing for Accelerated Development, but not only that... Dream Manipulation also comes to hit in the spot.

Eh maybe accelerated development for the first keys intelligence since he would still just naturally scale to high 1-A+ by having the potential to do anything possible and it not being a real growth in power. What would give dream manipulation?

 

[BleedingPeach]

Eh maybe accelerated development for the first keys intelligence since he would still just naturally scale to high 1-A+ by having the potential to do anything possible and it not being a real growth in power. What would give dream manipulation?

Here you can check the first grasps regarding dreams, I can even tell you this part exactly:

Under “the cold light of the stars, symbol of the hypercosmical reality, with its crystal ecstasy,” Stapledon is taken to a journey, perhaps a vision or a dream, to the depths of the cosmos and beyond. After witnessing the fates of myriads of planets and intelligent species, Stapledon, now a cosmic spirit, has a brief encounter with God — the Star Maker. In a dream within the dream, Stapledon learns about the Star Maker and his creations.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Here you can check the first grasps regarding dreams, I can even tell you this part exactly:

im not sure tbh. From what I remember it was more of a cosmic epiphany.

 

[Midirum]

bump

 

[Midirum]

bump?

 

[BleedingPeach]

If Ultima himself said that it'll take some time to apply this... I'll wait. Also he has a lot of issues with the Swirl of the Root thing that needs to be resolved.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

If Ultima himself said that it'll take some time to apply this... I'll wait. Also he has a lot of issues with the Swirl of the Root thing that needs to be resolved.

He said he needs to get to this thread a few days ago if that's anything