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Let's agree to disagree on that point then.
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A discussion on Youpi's Rage Blast calcs (Hunter x Hunter)
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TioKill
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Oh, surely. But it's not really a matter of opinion now is it?
If we accept Pitou's range is 2km while she's using it casually - then the premise that other uses where she's exerting past casualty is also 2km is proven true by default. [Not to forget, it's 2km since the very moment she was born]
Now, if you have no proper counter to my line of reasoning, pardon me, but your personal opinion will be unfailingly discarded.
In fact, I'd like to shut down this even further with these pixelscalings.
If we give her a decent height of 172cm (average), then compare to the thickness of the initial point, we get a range of 1.8km, which is almost 2km.
Before you say it, the point where Pitou is in the palace panel is far too thin to be pixelscaled, it appears smaller than a pixel even, so yeah. I believe 2km is beyond fair here, both narratively, and in artistic depiction.
I believe we can close this topic and move on to something else.
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Your line of reasoning is based on speculation and assumption. No further counter is needed from my point of view.
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Down to the level of a newcomer in debating, huh? This is no different than a simple "No, you're wrong" I'd get in a Discord server debate.
I don't need to further explain how "logic is logical". If you're cementing your disagreement over a factual mistske on your end, we won't waste time arguing over it any further, you may be absent.
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I'm stating my point of view. I'll call out inaccuracies as I see them.
I have no interest in going around in circles with you when we've both stated our views.
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Oh, crap it seems I'm late.
Anyway it is directly stated that Pitou's en can reach up to 2 kilometers at Points
Note that it says "In Portions" Pitou stretching her entire En to a certain direction definitely fits this. So it is fine to use.
Also in regards to the old calc, the entire crater is not even measured. It is cut off on one side which usually wouldn't be alot but since we are dealing with single pixels being several centimeters even being of by 10 pixels would result in inaccuracies of a few dozen kilotons.
I also point out that you used a random person to find the height instead of using a shot where killua and Youpi are side by side.
Those are the main reason we are disagreeing with the original calculation
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We need to get calc members to AGREE if we want this to be passed Tio. Making them angry is not gonna help
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Damage's judgement call is not reliable. You think I didn't read about this wiki before? Damage literally admits to ignoring calculations he doesn't like, and vouching for smaller end results, he thinks Youpi should be 7-C, maybe even less (idk if he agrees with vap). He is not a trustworthy staff, and I don't like him, he will die before he changes his mind on something even remotely tiny little bit debatable.
Don't expect me to act the same way with literally any other staff. I'm respectful with anyone who's fair. Damage isn't.
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@TioKill; It sounds like you have a personal bias against me. (Can you see why I didn't want to get drawn into a never-ending debate with you?)
If you have a problem with me, I'll refrain from getting in your way here and withdrew from the conversation. If I think there are other issues with the verse, I will address them at another time when I get back into Hunter x Hunter.
If you have a problem with me, I'll refrain from getting in your way here and withdrew from the conversation. If I think there are other issues with the verse, I will address them at another time when I get back into Hunter x Hunter.
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Damage, you have admitted to being corrupt in the past. Several. Times. Why would I trust you in anything? You are a biased Staff.
I don't have a personal bias against you, I don't even know who you are. And on our first interaction, you confirm the very thing that's said about you in literally every other powerscaling site. For all I know, you're just dishonest with your judgement.
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Sorry about that damage.
But I still would like to know what you think of the things I brought up that I believe are wrong with your original calculation.
Do you agree or disagree with them.
I also have another problem to add, the spherical cap formula Clover used form the calculator assumes that the radius is the total radius of the circle and NOT just the spherical Cap. The correct formula for when we have only the Cap's height and radius is V=πh/6(3a^2+h^2) which would change the result from from 386 kilotons to 502 kilotons
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That's not an admittance of corruption, or are you ignoring how the Roshi Moon-busting calc wasn't used on the wiki for years?
That's like saying everyone who believes that Outliers exist is corrupt.
You've simply misunderstood me and let your own preconceptions of what my posts mean cloud your judgement. If you actually talked to me one on one, you might understand me better but you're caught up in your own mental image of what I'm like.
A person like you who lets personal bias cloud their judgement is not one that I'm interested in arguing with.
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It literally is. Thanks for reminding me that not only you is biased?
Didn't you have to get publicly humiliated by an idiot on YouTube to get that through though?
I legitimately don't care. There's also the fact this has nothing to do with my thread so just stop replying to me altogether. I want to get this evaluated already.
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I don't pay attention to what randoms say on YouTube or other powerscaling sites. And what do you mean "It literally is?" The Moon calc wasn't used, and that's not because everyone involved was corrupt.
This is asinine. Like I said, it's like saying anyone who believes that outliers exist is corrupt. That's utter nonsense.
You just seem to be heavily mistaken if you think that a calc not being used for a verse is a sign of corruption. It has happened thousands of times before and will happen thousands of times in the future. That's just how the wiki works.
If you want to get back on topic, then just get back on topic instead of making accusations of corruption against me. You're the one who started this.
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Thank you.
In a vacuum the tunnel scaling is a sound method if the diagram can be trusted to be reliable in scale. By my estimation that method would make the crater 283.5 meters in diameter, though that will depend on which overhead shot in particular you use to compare the palace with the crater. Considering though that this end is 2 to 3 times higher than alternative methods in this thread, it should be looked at skeptically for whether or not it is the most reliable end.
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The tunnel end is indeed seems to be a little too big which Is why were vouching for the Pitou En method which makes the result is around 150 meters so not too much bigger
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I agree with that, yes. 283m is a vastly inflated value, mainly when we compare it to the size of other characters, who consistently appear around it.
I see you've disagreed on the Pitou end, but now that we've calmed down, can you reconsider it? I believe I can make a case for it, as we see pixelscaling does seem to approximate to the 2 kilometers. Again, I do believe the Youpi height is quite unreliable since Togashi is very inconsistent with his sizes, even the Anime is sometimes.
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I am calm, lol. I just think the earlier posts were getting wildly off-topic.
I'll do some more investigating tomorrow when I have time. (Incidentally, if you can reliably pixel scale it to 1800 meters, why not use that instead of 2 km?)
I'll do some more investigating tomorrow when I have time. (Incidentally, if you can reliably pixel scale it to 1800 meters, why not use that instead of 2 km?)
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Because we have a straight up statement that Pitou's en can reach 2 kilometers. Pixelscaling always takes a backseat to size statements
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Yeah, but can reach 2 kilometers is not the same as does reach 2 kilometers in this scene.
I get where you're coming from with it, but the two are not the same to me.
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Again, the width of her En at the initial point is not visible, it's smaller than a pixel. It's not reliable, it's just support that the artistic depiction is somewhat accurate in this instance.
What do you think about this instance though?
Here, Pitou's En is her usual 2km En just reshaped upwards. And she is trying to reach as far as possible to feel her opponents power asap.
I did some pixel and it's very consistent:
The 164m one can be attributed to the fact the tower is at a very weird angle for 2D scaling (You can see the clean version in the OP), we can discard that one. But it's consistently between 172-179m, probably due to my mistakes, but we can go with the lower one. Would that be reasonable?
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That does seem weirdly consistant given how shit Togashi is at consistant drawing. I still think the pitou en method is the safest though.
You might want to update your original post to better reflect what were now debating.
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Both are equally safe imo. Two-step, uses Pitou's En, is consistent.
This new method actually gives Damage a reason to believe her En is at 2km, since she was using it to monitor her surroundings like usual, and reshaped it upwards. It also puts the character in a situation where the furthest extension of her En is necessary, meaning it's more likely to convince him.
If he agrees with it, then we can proceed and use it for calcs.
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Thats true as well but he's also equally likely to reject it because we can visibly see pitou compared to her En in this situation
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What is your opinion is it flawed?
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Oh, then we got him
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It is, severely so. Do you honestly think Nen users can just amp their attacks several-fold on a heartbeat? The logic behind it is quite flawed. I'll get more into it in my future thread. I won't downgrade any values like Uvogin's 20% Aura, or Kurapika's scaling.
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It's stated that by using Ko one can amp there attack by "Dozens of Times" I think it's fairly solid except for the Ken scaling
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@Damage3245 @CloverDragon03 @Jasonsith
Have you reached any agreements regarding what we should do here?
Have you reached any agreements regarding what we should do here?
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I'll be rereading some of the chapters of the manga soon, doing a bit of investigation. At the moment I don't have any firm conclusions.
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The one with the tower? I think that depends on which page you're using, because Pitou's En is still 'travelling' as it were and reaching upwards, meaning it may not have gotten to its full length yet.
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