9B+ to 9A Jason Upgrades

[Raincutter]

Alright then also I gotta need a list of 9-A to 8-C feats that Jason have performed

Scaling to Freddy full power - anywhere from 7-A to 3-A, the excuse is that he was weakened in FvJ due to lack of fear, but even the novel states he was regaining power, and there's no excuse for Jason keeping up when he's amped by the Necronomicon
The Hell Lake electrocution linked above - It's 9-A+ all things considered since it took a while to affect him.
The house explosion - 9-A to 8-C
Scaling to Freddy's durability from Ash - obviously Krueger's durability is far below his AP since he toys around, but this would be 9-A
Plane crash - from the Jason Strain novel calced above 9-B+

Then there's the more vague stuff:
Tanking a black hole - I know black hole feats aren't treated as infinite durability feats, but it's still worth mentioning
Fighting Uber Jason - there's the "upgraded" clone comic, and a time displaced Deadite Jason manages to briefly fight his future self. in one of the novels. He does little to no damage, but it's implied he at least took hits in both instances.
Tanking lightning - I know c2g lightning can't scale to the full yield on the basis of irl humans surviving strikes, but he does tank it for several seconds while real lightning only lasts for microseconds. Whatever he tanked would be thousands of times greater.
The plane explosion - The wording of the novel makes it seem like the plane might've exploded, so the feat might scale higher
A helicopter explosion - haven't seen any calcs for this, but the aoe seems decent razing the ground for several feet despite going off high in the air.
A kerosene tank explosion - kerosene doesn't explode irl, but it does in the Jason Strain novel. 8-C+
Scaling to Satan's Six - not sure if this mini crossover comic is considered usable, but he ragdolls the demon Frightful who is able to hit buildings so hard they nearly fall over and is able to fight a demon who would've apparently solo'd humanity

Having seen just about every piece of Jason media, his profile is missing a lot.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Scaling to Freddy full power - anywhere from 7-A to 3-A, the excuse is that he was weakened in FvJ due to lack of fear, but even the novel states he was regaining power, and there's no excuse for Jason keeping up when he's amped by the Necronomicon
The Hell Lake electrocution linked above - It's 9-A+ all things considered since it took a while to affect him.
The house explosion - 9-A to 8-C
Scaling to Freddy's durability from Ash - obviously Krueger's durability is far below his AP since he toys around, but this would be 9-A
Plane crash - from the Jason Strain novel calced above 9-B+

Then there's the more vague stuff:
Tanking a black hole - I know black hole feats aren't treated as infinite durability feats, but it's still worth mentioning
Fighting Uber Jason - there's the "upgraded" clone comic, and a time displaced Deadite Jason manages to briefly fight his future self. in one of the novels. He does little to no damage, but it's implied he at least took hits in both instances.
Tanking lightning - I know c2g lightning can't scale to the full yield on the basis of irl humans surviving strikes, but he does tank it for several seconds while real lightning only lasts for microseconds. Whatever he tanked would be thousands of times greater.
The plane explosion - The wording of the novel makes it seem like the plane might've exploded, so the feat might scale higher
A helicopter explosion - haven't seen any calcs for this, but the aoe seems decent razing the ground for several feet despite going off high in the air.
A kerosene tank explosion - kerosene doesn't explode irl, but it does in the Jason Strain novel. 8-C+
Scaling to Satan's Six - not sure if this mini crossover comic is considered usable, but he ragdolls the demon Frightful who is able to hit buildings so hard they nearly fall over and is able to fight a demon who would've apparently solo'd humanity

Having seen just about every piece of Jason media, his profile is missing a lot.

I don't buy high 3-A Jason due to it being hyperbolic and probably a outlier

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I don't buy high 3-A Jason due to it being hyperbolic and probably a outlier

Plus Freddy was very likely toying around

 

[TheShape03]

I think violent frag would even be highball since you can see a lot of large pieces falling down.

Most of them are small fragments. It is true that there are large fragments, but they are few and they seem to be parts of the ceiling.

Still, 8-C would still be an outlier.

And the futuristic grenade would just upscale to him.

We still have two more, maybe more, instances where Jason was torn apart by 9-B weapons. And just one 8-C feat.

 

[TheShape03]

The Hell Lake electrocution linked above - It's 9-A+ all things considered since it took a while to affect him.
The house explosion - 9-A to 8-C
Scaling to Freddy's durability from Ash - obviously Krueger's durability is far below his AP since he toys around, but this would be 9-A
Plane crash - from the Jason Strain novel calced above 9-B+

Then there's the more vague stuff:
Tanking a black hole - I know black hole feats aren't treated as infinite durability feats, but it's still worth mentioning
Fighting Uber Jason - there's the "upgraded" clone comic, and a time displaced Deadite Jason manages to briefly fight his future self. in one of the novels. He does little to no damage, but it's implied he at least took hits in both instances.
Tanking lightning - I know c2g lightning can't scale to the full yield on the basis of irl humans surviving strikes, but he does tank it for several seconds while real lightning only lasts for microseconds. Whatever he tanked would be thousands of times greater.
The plane explosion - The wording of the novel makes it seem like the plane might've exploded, so the feat might scale higher
A helicopter explosion - haven't seen any calcs for this, but the aoe seems decent razing the ground for several feet despite going off high in the air.
A kerosene tank explosion - kerosene doesn't explode irl, but it does in the Jason Strain novel. 8-C+
Scaling to Satan's Six - not sure if this mini crossover comic is considered usable, but he ragdolls the demon Frightful who is able to hit buildings so hard they nearly fall over and is able to fight a demon who would've apparently solo'd humanity

If the feats mentioned here can be calculated, and make the 8-C consistent, then I can agree with 8-C Jason.

7-A/3-A should be out of the question. Everything that the novel says about Freddy pushing the boiler with all his power is something unique to the novel, in the movie he simply lets it fall. Also, I vaguely remember that the novel mentions that the entire building shook while Freddy pushed the boiler on Jason, which doesn't happen in the movie either.

The novel simply modified the scene slightly to make it more interesting, but the movie takes priority over the novel in terms of canonicity.

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Qawsedf234 Is the Satan's Six crossover considered usable?

No

 

[Qawsedf234]

Scaling to Freddy full power - anywhere from 7-A to 3-A, the excuse is that he was weakened in FvJ due to lack of fear, but even the novel states he was regaining power, and there's no excuse for Jason keeping up when he's amped by the Necronomicon

He didn't. Freddy stated directly he was holding back tbe entire time.

The Hell Lake electrocution linked above - It's 9-A+ all things considered since it took a while to affect him.

I don't think Jason was tanking 9-A levels of energy

Tanking a black hole - I know black hole feats aren't treated as infinite durability feats, but it's still worth mentioning

That was a wormhole that teleported him, not a black hole

Fighting Uber Jason - there's the "upgraded" clone comic, and a time displaced Deadite Jason manages to briefly fight his future self. in one of the novels. He does little to no damage, but it's implied he at least took hits in both instances.

The clone was amped and the novel fight Deadite Jason was two shot.

A kerosene tank explosion - kerosene doesn't explode irl, but it does in the Jason Strain novel. 8-C+
Scaling to Satan's Six - not sure if this mini crossover comic is considered usable, but he ragdolls the demon Frightful who is able to hit buildings so hard they nearly fall over and is able to fight a demon who would've apparently solo'd humanity

I'd have to see the kerosene feat, but Frightful used energy blasts to knock down that building and he doesn't have UES. So Jason wouldn't scale to it.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Most of them are small fragments. It is true that there are large fragments, but they are few and they seem to be parts of the ceiling.

Still, 8-C would still be an outlier.

We still have two more, maybe more, instances where Jason was torn apart by 9-B weapons. And just one 8-C feat.

I'm pretty sure it was a mortar or a airstrike

 

[TheShape03]

I'm pretty sure it was a mortar or a airstrike

Mortars have 9 megajoules.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Mortars have 9 megajoules.

Oh

 

[Raincutter]

@TheShape03 Yes, I'm aware of him getting gibbed by 9B explosives - you can add him getting blown up after getting hit with dozens of grenades in Church of the Divine Psychopath, it's just as consistent as him scaling to Krueger. Regardless, I don't see why we use that to cap him when he has just as many if not more instances of tanking explosions.

The script also says Freddy was increasing his effort against Jason and after dropping the boil Freddy's clearly frustrated and asks "Why won't you die?"
In the comics, he resists the portal that pulls Freddy in, upscales Ash who tanks a pissed off blast from Krueger, and Krueger considers his soul a massive power boost, indicating relativity. I think it's just the usual power creep that comes with crossovers and popularity, but it's not like Freddy was legitimately thousands of times stronger in their interactions

 

[Raincutter]

He didn't. Freddy stated directly he was holding back tbe entire time.

"Why won't you die!?" Script says he was trying, his own frustration and dialogue implies he's trying, and the novel outright says Freddy had no hope of beating him up until the water drew out his fear.

I don't think Jason was tanking 9-A levels of energy

Why not?

That was a wormhole that teleported him, not a black hole

The novel says the wormhole is the product of a black hole, the latter of which is otherwise stated to have the same properties as irl. In the end, it's stated that Jason would either be crushed or trapped indefinitely. I admit I haven't gotten around to these novels so I'm just going off scans.

The clone was amped and the novel fight Deadite Jason was two shot.

The novel says they thrashed around the ship for a bit, Deadite Jason hit him with a charge, but was cut down with a machete. The clone is never explicitly stated or even implied to be amped. It's presumable.

I'd have to see the kerosene feat, but Frightful used energy blasts to knock down that building and he doesn't have UES. So Jason wouldn't scale to it.

The Lobo rip off he fought didn't.
Also, why isn't this crossover considered scalable? Here's the kerosene feat:

She ran to the side of the porch and grabbed a large white metal cylinder with a large valve at the top. Alex recognized it as the same kind of container that held the kerosene for her father's barbecue grill back in Homer. Jason turned toward Val as she fumbled with the valve.
"Come on!" Stella said, grabbing Alex's arm. "Move!"
Alex turned away as Jason grabbed Val by the throat and the kerosene caught—an orange wash of fire lit up the night

 

[Qawsedf234]

Why won't you die!?" Script says he was trying, his own frustration and dialogue implies he's trying, and the novel outright says Freddy had no hope of beating him up until the water drew out his fear.

You're talking about their FvJ fight, where Freddy was weakened the entire time and struggled dropping a boiler. I was talking about FvJvA where Freddy instantly overpowers Ash and Jason when he stops messing around (per his own words).

Why not?

Energy needed to electrify a lake =/= energy exposure.

The novel says the wormhole is the product of a black hole, the latter of which is otherwise stated to have the same properties as irl. In the end, it's stated that Jason would either be crushed or trapped indefinitely. I admit I haven't gotten around to these novels so I'm just going off scans.

The novel has their FTL engines generate a wormhole that launches them through a void of space-time. A normal human in a normal ship was sent through at the same time, struck Jason and both where launch back through their respective wormholes with no damage. This isn't a durability feat.

The novel says they thrashed around the ship for a bit, Deadite Jason hit him with a charge, but was cut down with a machete.

This is the novel fight. Jason X hits him twice and he dies.

The clone is never explicitly stated or even implied to be amped. It's presumable.

The clone was revived on a machine that was permanently swapped to upgrade mode.

The Lobo rip off he fought didn't.
Also, why isn't this crossover considered scalable?

The former still used energy blasts afaik. For the second you have to prove usability for a crossover not the other way around.

held the kerosene for her father's barbecue grill back in Homer.

The fuel source for a barbecue grill does not contain 8-C levels of energy.

 

[ShionAH]

As a person who read the comics and movies when Freddy has his powers he literally always destroys other characters. Scaling anyone (other than the Dream Demons) to Freddys full power is just silly.

 

[Raincutter]

As a person who read the comics and movies when Freddy has his powers he literally always destroys other characters. Scaling anyone (other than the Dream Demons) to Freddys full power is just silly.

I wasn't proposing we scale Jason to Freddy, only acknowledging that his showings are valid without context like him holding back or something

 

[Raincutter]

You're talking about their FvJ fight, where Freddy was weakened the entire time and struggled dropping a boiler. I was talking about FvJvA where Freddy instantly overpowers Ash and Jason when he stops messing around (per his own words).

I've also addressed those showings. FvJvA; Jason quite blatantly resists the vortex that overpowers Freddy, Nightmare Warriors - Freddy considers his soul a major power amp and Ash tanks a pissed off blast from him.

Energy needed to electrify a lake =/= energy exposure.

The calc isn't the energy required to electrify a lake. Trey's death shows the voltage is how much is experienced within anybody in the lake, Jason further got hit with the 500K voltage. That's why I didn't consider the resistance of the lake.

The novel has their FTL engines generate a wormhole that launches them through a void of space-time. A normal human in a normal ship was sent through at the same time, struck Jason and both where launch back through their respective wormholes with no damage. This isn't a durability feat.

"Yes. They'd sent the bodily form of Jason Voorhees rearing into the bowels of a black hole."
Not a wormhole.

This is the novel fight. Jason X hits him twice and he dies.

That's a bit disingenuous. He did that with his machete, and killing someone with a weapon doesn't scale your physicals a tier above them. Physically, Deadite Jason even briefly got the upper hand on him. - "Then again, Jason Voorhees was clearly charging his upgraded twin, into the murk where the decision would be made"

The clone was revived on a machine that was permanently swapped to upgrade mode.

Was it? I've seen the novel statement. It would upgrade anything it couldn't restore. But visibly, and confirmed in the comic intro, Deadite Jason was fully reconstructed. Therefore, no upgrade would've taken place. He doesn't have the adaptive nanoants and it's using material obviously weaker than him - dead humans.

The former still used energy blasts afaik. For the second you have to prove usability for a crossover not the other way around.

Lobo doesn't demonstrate any such power and he still plans on rampaging throughout the city with Frightful. Some no-name demons tank the same blast. And Jason was considered to be a suitable replacement for Frightful - "terror personified" and "unstoppable."
There's no contradictions between the verses AFAIK, the cosmologies even match up with both hells being timeless.

The fuel source for a barbecue grill does not contain 8-C levels of energy.

True, and kerosene doesn't explode either. I just used the energy density of kerosene.

 

[Iceking_24]

Alright then also I gotta need a list of 9-A to 8-C feats that Jason have performed

Do you have it on you?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Do you have it on you?

No

 

[Qawsedf234]

I've also addressed those showings. FvJvA; Jason quite blatantly resists the vortex that overpowers Freddy, Nightmare Warriors - Freddy considers his soul a major power amp and Ash tanks a pissed off blast from him.

Freddy was depowered both times the Soul Vortex grabbed him. So that's not a scalable action.

Trey's death shows the voltage is how much is experienced within anybody in the lake, Jason further got hit with the 500K voltage. That's why I didn't consider the resistance of the lake.

Where's the calc at?

Yes. They'd sent the bodily form of Jason Voorhees rearing into the bowels of a black hole."
Not a wormhole.

It acts as a wormhole, not a black hole. It doesn't crush anything, it's just a hole in space-time. Like I said a normal woman survives and her unborn child is also unaffected from this same event.

That's a bit disingenuous. He did that with his machete, and killing someone with a weapon doesn't scale your physicals a tier above them. Physically, Deadite Jason even briefly got the upper hand on him. - "Then again, Jason Voorhees was clearly charging his upgraded twin, into the murk where the decision would be made"

Being two shot is being two shot. It means he was casually overpowered. Trying to ram his superior version, doing nothing to him and then dying isn't a feat.

Was it?

Yes

would upgrade anything it couldn't restore.

It said it would upgrade anything

Lobo doesn't demonstrate any such power and he still plans on rampaging throughout the city with Frightful

Rampaging through a city isn't a feat unless he physically knocked down buildings.

There's no contradictions between the verses AFAIK, the cosmologies even match up with both hells being timeless.

Hell is only timeless in one Jason novel. In the FvJ novelization and movie time progresses in Hell.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

What about that explosion in fvj?

 

[Iceking_24]

What about that explosion in fvj?

It’s only 131 kilojoules

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

It’s only 131 kilojoules

So 9-B?

 

[Iceking_24]

Yes

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Yes

Damn but what about if we use gasoline scaling? Does it go any higher?

 

[Iceking_24]

Damn but what about if we use gasoline scaling? Does it go any higher?

Surface area would still mess it up a lot

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Surface area would still mess it up a lot

I see, makes sense

 

[Iceking_24]

I see, makes sense

I still think Jason should be higher then 9-B but whatever

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I still think Jason should be higher then 9-B but whatever

I also do

 

[Raincutter]

Freddy was depowered both times the Soul Vortex grabbed him. So that's not a scalable action.

Not in the first instance. Ash's girlfriend simply opens the vortex while he's distracted and he gets sucked in, Ash shoots the Necronomicon away from him before he can close it. And you ignored the other feats I brought up.

Where's the calc at?

Jason Voorhees Gets Electrocuted

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It acts as a wormhole, not a black hole. It doesn't crush anything, it's just a hole in space-time. Like I said a normal woman survives and her unborn child is also unaffected from this same event.

The book makes it clear they're two different things
Page 8, the ships use drives with black holes. London is swallowed by a wormhole.
Page 286, Gonzales lures Jason out oast the stargate where he fights his undead self. An "event horizon" is mentioned, a property of a black hole.
Page 290, It's stated Jason was sent into a black hole and crushed and fused
Page 291, the stargates also use wormholes. London simply knocked Jason off course while he was in the worm hole

So what happened? Jason got sent into a black hole and then a worm hole, where he encountered the mother of his child, who never entered the black hole, and she knocked into him. The ships use black holes within their engine and use wormholes for travel.

Being two shot is being two shot. It means he was casually overpowered. Trying to ram his superior version, doing nothing to him and then dying isn't a feat.

I could oneshot just about any man on Earth with a sword. That doesn't necessitate that I "casually overpower" them or scale above them. Jason himself gets harmed several times by ordinary people with knifes and bullets. Obviously Jason X is stronger than his Deadite self, but using a fight where he uses his machete to cut him down isn't good evidence of that. As for him physically scaling:
"Jason and his machine mate slammed around the wall like VirchHock players on the Mandelbrot."
This implies they were physically trading blows. You could interpret this 3 ways: Jason was throttling his upgraded self around the ship, Uber was manhandling him, or more likely they were fighting relatively. Either way, Deadite Jason would scale off to his striking power at least.

Yes


It said it would upgrade anything

Ok

Rampaging through a city isn't a feat unless he physically knocked down buildings.


Hell is only timeless in one Jason novel. In the FvJ novelization and movie time progresses in Hell.

Ok
This is getting off topic as we are discussing stuff I myself consider outliers.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Not in the first instance.

Yeah you're right. I was thinking of the second time when the Dream Demons depower him. Though the Vortex was sending them both to the Deadite Realm since they're Deadites by that point, Jason could just resist it better.

Jason Voorhees Gets Electrocuted​

That's not to bad. Though I don't think electricity resistance scales to durability like that without UES. Though it would be consistent with Jason's 200 Amp~ electric durability from the movies

The book makes it clear they're two different things

Well one: The book doesn't make it clear because this is Death Moon and the book was not written in a very readable fashion.

Second: They aren't different things. Them ending up in the same zone outside of time is the exact same event. The passage you linked literally says this

If it sounds weird, it's because it takes place in quantum reality. The mathematics that define quantum reality are called nonlinear equations. That is, the effects of one equation may not directly affect the outcome of another equation. Or so it would appear.

Because besides space there is time.

According to Einstein, this is the same thing.

A hyperspace port, or stargate, or spategate, generally considered an invention of lazy science fiction authors on a deadline, is actually deducible through the higher mathematics. Like other laws of nature that we can't actually see in action, but can predict probable outcomes of.

Anyway.

Travel through a hyperspace port is facilitated by the use of a wormhole. A wormhole arises when a star collapses into itself, forming what is popularly known as a black hole.

So this is what happened.

Much like Alice, London Jefferson went down the wormhole, bumping Jason out. See, Jason was the more recent arrival. London had dibs. And Jason was back in Moon City. Just outside the outskirts of, actually, but pretty goddamn close.

Both entered the wormhole, hit each other, and were rocketed back out into reality at different points in time.

Jason himself gets harmed several times by ordinary people with knifes and bullets

Yes, which is a clear cut anti-feat for him being 8-C.

This implies they were physically trading blows. You could interpret this 3 ways: Jason was throttling his upgraded self around the ship, Uber was manhandling him, or more likely they were fighting relatively. Either way, Deadite Jason would scale off to his striking power at least.

No he wouldn't. Punching Jason doesn't mean anything, you have to actually damage him through the armor. Simply ramming him and being easily killed afterwards isn't a scaling justification.

 

[Iceking_24]

Not in the first instance. Ash's girlfriend simply opens the vortex while he's distracted and he gets sucked in, Ash shoots the Necronomicon away from him before he can close it. And you ignored the other feats I brought up.

Jason Voorhees Gets Electrocuted

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The book makes it clear they're two different things
Page 8, the ships use drives with black holes. London is swallowed by a wormhole.
Page 286, Gonzales lures Jason out oast the stargate where he fights his undead self. An "event horizon" is mentioned, a property of a black hole.
Page 290, It's stated Jason was sent into a black hole and crushed and fused
Page 291, the stargates also use wormholes. London simply knocked Jason off course while he was in the worm hole

So what happened? Jason got sent into a black hole and then a worm hole, where he encountered the mother of his child, who never entered the black hole, and she knocked into him. The ships use black holes within their engine and use wormholes for travel.

I could oneshot just about any man on Earth with a sword. That doesn't necessitate that I "casually overpower" them or scale above them. Jason himself gets harmed several times by ordinary people with knifes and bullets. Obviously Jason X is stronger than his Deadite self, but using a fight where he uses his machete to cut him down isn't good evidence of that. As for him physically scaling:
"Jason and his machine mate slammed around the wall like VirchHock players on the Mandelbrot."
This implies they were physically trading blows. You could interpret this 3 ways: Jason was throttling his upgraded self around the ship, Uber was manhandling him, or more likely they were fighting relatively. Either way, Deadite Jason would scale off to his striking power at least.

Ok

Ok
This is getting off topic as we are discussing stuff I myself consider outliers.

Also I should say Baghead Jason is not deadite Jason. He is much weaker than zombie jason so him being able to keep up at all is impressive

 

[Iceking_24]

Also I should say Baghead Jason is not deadite Jason. He is much weaker than zombie jason so him being able to keep up at all is impressive

Anyway Jason should be 8-C via scaling to Ash alone

 

[Qawsedf234]

Anyway Jason should be 8-C via scaling to Ash alone

Why would Jason be 8-C for scaling to a 9-B character?

 

[Iceking_24]

Why would Jason be 8-C for scaling to a 9-B character?

Dynamite ash has a lot of 8-C showings

 

[Qawsedf234]

Dynamite ash has a lot of 8-C showings

For Jason, the Ash he scales to are only the one from the first three movies and the two comic runs. Not Composited Dynamite Ash.

 

[Iceking_24]

For Jason, the Ash he scales to are only the one from the first three movies and the two comic runs. Not Composited Dynamite Ash.

He references sugar baby

 

[Raincutter]

For Jason, the Ash he scales to are only the one from the first three movies and the two comic runs. Not Composited Dynamite Ash.

I believe the Dynamite Ash he scales to has feats from AoD vs Marvel Zombies and the Hack/Slash crossover since the latter has him referencing Dazzler and the girlfriend Jason kills, though I don't think any of them gets him something major

 

[Raincutter]

That's not to bad. Though I don't think electricity resistance scales to durability like that without UES. Though it would be consistent with Jason's 200 Amp~ electric durability from the movies

Yeah I won't lie I'm just going off stuff I vaguely remember from years ago, maybe it could be used as a supporting feat for a 9A+ ceiling or something if the plane thing can be calced

Well one: The book doesn't make it clear because this is Death Moon and the book was not written in a very readable fashion.

Second: They aren't different things. Them ending up in the same zone outside of time is the exact same event. The passage you linked literally says this

Both entered the wormhole, hit each other, and were rocketed back out into reality at different points in time.

I never said Jason didn't enter a wormhole, but that he also entered a black hole. How else do you explain the "event horizon" and the statement outright confirming it? The ships deal with both holes.

Yes, which is a clear cut anti-feat for him being 8-C.

I'm just saying that if ordinary people can harm him with blades, someone at least as strong as him cutting him down doesn't mean he's massively physically weaker

No he wouldn't. Punching Jason doesn't mean anything, you have to actually damage him through the armor. Simply ramming him and being easily killed afterwards isn't a scaling justification.

I never said he harmed him, but the statement that they slammed around the ship implied they brawled and since UJ is both faster, stronger, and more skilled, Deadite Jason probably got hit and would've had to endured a few attacks before getting sliced in half.

 

[Raincutter]

He references sugar baby

What 8-C feats does Ash have?

 

[TheShape03]

I believe the Dynamite Ash he scales to has feats from AoD vs Marvel Zombies and the Hack/Slash crossover since the latter has him referencing Dazzler and the girlfriend Jason kills, though I don't think any of them gets him something major

Someone should make a Dynamite Ash profile, once we have the character scaled, Jason would scale from him.