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Solar System level Darth Vader ?
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I don't think we expect that statement here but I could be wrong, it's been awhile since it was brought up, at least to my knowledge.
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Already brought up and rejected. Several times.
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@Jobbo The top tiers of Star Wars are Multi-Solar Ssytem level and the god tiers are Universe level+
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I bring it up all the time as a joke, so I feel partially responsible for this.
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I too am surprised that Star Wars has such high-tiered characters. I'm only familiar with the movies and I know the movies don't portray those kind of feats. I checked out some profiles and loled a bit at their reaction speeds. My brain goes back to the light saber fights in a new hope. Btw who would be the universe level characters?
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@Heatforce The bedlam spirits are the only characters listed as universal+, though it's possible that 1s, wielders of the Mortis blade & people who have achieved oneness with the force are too.
@TeenAngel101 Why don't we consider this statement, just out of curiosity ?
@TeenAngel101 Why don't we consider this statement, just out of curiosity ?
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Because it's obviously not true. Vader doesn't hold a candle to Sidious, and has been consistently portrayed as his bitch.LordWhis said:
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@TeenAngel101 couldn't someone 25% stronger than someone make them their bitch ? also Vader peaked in ROTJ, didn't he, so he could have been pre-prime when portrayed as Vader's bitch, also he does have a few good feats Sidious closer to his death, Sidious considered his power incredible, & DE Luke who didn't do that badly against him was noted to be much weaker than Vader, & several what-ifs portray Vader as more powerful than Yoda.
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Vader considered the Muur talisman, which contains the full might of an ancient Sith Lord, to be genuinely useful in potentially overthrowing Sidious, albeit while Vader hadn't experienced Sidious' full power.
If the gap wasn't that wide, Vader would not have considered this.
If the gap wasn't that wide, Vader would not have considered this.
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I think he should still at least be High 4-C still, Sidious considered Vader's power incredible and feares what he could become, Vader is > Dooku is at every point in Legends stated to be comparable or superior to Mace Windu by both word of god and other statements
Vader might realize he doesnt have a chance against Sidious, but hed only need to be 25% weaker to realize that. Anyone here who has actually been in a fight in their life will know that, especially if you effectively have weak points similar to Pacers. Brief exposure to an enraged Sidious' full power in ROTS didnt even kill Vader, it was damage to his cybernetics, particularly his respirator and other organ supplements
Vader might realize he doesnt have a chance against Sidious, but hed only need to be 25% weaker to realize that. Anyone here who has actually been in a fight in their life will know that, especially if you effectively have weak points similar to Pacers. Brief exposure to an enraged Sidious' full power in ROTS didnt even kill Vader, it was damage to his cybernetics, particularly his respirator and other organ supplements
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You keep claiming these things but never bring quotes.
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1) On the Sidious fearing Vader, youd have to give me time to pull up that one, a friend on Discord showed me the quote once, Id have to ask him wherenthat was when hea online
2) Mace and Dooku being comparable to eachother is stated many times, you could easily hunt this down. If anything, Dooku was SUPERIOR to Windu, as "The New Essential Guide to characters" states that only Dooku and Yoda ever bested Windu, "Labrynth of Evil" states he was the orders most agile instructor and swordmaster. "Yoda: Dark Rendesvous" states that aside from Yoda (who is > Windu and Dooku, who are as we agree, a tier below him), only Windu wouldve been his equal on neutral ground (which is true since this was two and a half years into the war, where Anakin was more or less an 8 to Dookus 9, so to speak, going to a 9 near the time of ROTS). Its also implied that Dooku was, similar to Windu, a master of all lightsaber forms or at least multiple forms, as he taught Grievous, who used Jarkai, Qui Gon Jinn who was taught in Ataru, Soresu (he had to since he taught Obi Wan Kenobi, whonused it against Maul) and its implied he integreated Djem So into form since he relied on strength (which would explain how Anakin learned it despite Kenoni not having any accolades for it, Kenibi knew it but didnt use it). and again, he instructed the jedi and was one of the best teachers (all jedi learn Shii Cho). He also likely knew a lot of Niman since he was highly skilled in integrated force based attacks into his lightsaber sequences, a core principle of niman.
In summary, he had to be at least moderately competent in Shii Cho (known by all jedi), Makashi (his preferred form) Soresu (taught Qui Gon eho taught Kenobi, who knew Soresu enough to contend with a master of Juyo in Maul), Ataru (taught Qui Gon), Ataru (taught Qui Gon), Djem So (also taught Qui Gon who relied heavily on strength, even if Dooku himself didnt. Qui Gons Padawan taught the premier Djem So user of the Era in Anakin), Niman (this is conjecture to a degree on my part, admittedly, but it does fit into his use of the force being integrated into his dueling, meaning he at least grasps its principle, even if he isnt jack-of-all-trades as a fighter), and Jar Kai (taught Grievous and Ventress). This leaves only Juyo/Vaapad.
3) Vader died way too slowly for it to be anyrhing else. He wasnt fried, his cybernetics were. If not he wouldve died on the spot rather than taking a few minutes.
2) Mace and Dooku being comparable to eachother is stated many times, you could easily hunt this down. If anything, Dooku was SUPERIOR to Windu, as "The New Essential Guide to characters" states that only Dooku and Yoda ever bested Windu, "Labrynth of Evil" states he was the orders most agile instructor and swordmaster. "Yoda: Dark Rendesvous" states that aside from Yoda (who is > Windu and Dooku, who are as we agree, a tier below him), only Windu wouldve been his equal on neutral ground (which is true since this was two and a half years into the war, where Anakin was more or less an 8 to Dookus 9, so to speak, going to a 9 near the time of ROTS). Its also implied that Dooku was, similar to Windu, a master of all lightsaber forms or at least multiple forms, as he taught Grievous, who used Jarkai, Qui Gon Jinn who was taught in Ataru, Soresu (he had to since he taught Obi Wan Kenobi, whonused it against Maul) and its implied he integreated Djem So into form since he relied on strength (which would explain how Anakin learned it despite Kenoni not having any accolades for it, Kenibi knew it but didnt use it). and again, he instructed the jedi and was one of the best teachers (all jedi learn Shii Cho). He also likely knew a lot of Niman since he was highly skilled in integrated force based attacks into his lightsaber sequences, a core principle of niman.
In summary, he had to be at least moderately competent in Shii Cho (known by all jedi), Makashi (his preferred form) Soresu (taught Qui Gon eho taught Kenobi, who knew Soresu enough to contend with a master of Juyo in Maul), Ataru (taught Qui Gon), Ataru (taught Qui Gon), Djem So (also taught Qui Gon who relied heavily on strength, even if Dooku himself didnt. Qui Gons Padawan taught the premier Djem So user of the Era in Anakin), Niman (this is conjecture to a degree on my part, admittedly, but it does fit into his use of the force being integrated into his dueling, meaning he at least grasps its principle, even if he isnt jack-of-all-trades as a fighter), and Jar Kai (taught Grievous and Ventress). This leaves only Juyo/Vaapad.
3) Vader died way too slowly for it to be anyrhing else. He wasnt fried, his cybernetics were. If not he wouldve died on the spot rather than taking a few minutes.
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I just cited multiple EU Books with regards to Dooku, waiting a response on Discord with regards to VaderReppuzan said:
How is "Vader dying from shockwaves" backed up? Matt didn't cite any source afaik that claims that, and it's far less outlandish than Vader simply dying from his cybernetics being damaged, something Vader himself was afraid of
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lol, Dooku has a literal feat where he duels literally both Windu and Kenobi at the same time,Darth Vader isn't 4-B but him being High 6-A is laughable
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I think Dooku is actually considerably superior to Windu, but that's a very impressive feat regardless, care to cite it?
I think Dooku is actually considerably superior to Windu, but that's a very impressive feat regardless, care to cite it?
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@Reppuzan, In the republic heroes video game, which is site to be canon to the Clone Wars Tv Show
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Which, even then, was a fight Dooku ran away from. He's definitely not superior to Mace.
Which, even then, was a fight Dooku ran away from. He's definitely not superior to Mace.
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it takes place between season 1 and 2
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ok yeah, ill get it soon, need to just get video
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Again, by extension, this scales to everyone.
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Windu himself implies that he himself is weaker than Anakin in one statementJs250476 said:
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Hardly. Vader godstomped most of his adversaries. Only Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker were any real challenge to Vader in the old EU. I remember one comic where Jedi literally had to mob Vader to stand a chance against him.
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No, if it scales to Dooku, it scales to literally all the Old Republic Era High 6-A's. Including DURGE and GRIEVOUS.
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