5th strongest 7-A Bracket Round 3 (Lancer of Red (Karna) vs Gengar)

[DontTalkDT]

Lancer of Red (Karna) vs Gengar

Speed Equal

7-A Versions

SBA otherwise

Votes:

• Gengar: 0
• Karna: 6

Hub, Table

 

[Paul_Frank]

What is that picture

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If Gengar looks like that in the fight, Karna will bust out everything ASAP to get rid of it lol.

 

[Schnee_One]

What's Gengar's wincon? Sleep?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Can Lancer absorb?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sleep, paralysis, or possession

 

[John985]

Can't see a wincon for Gengar...

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Knowing Servants. Lancer probably resists.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I'm pretty sure the armor should prevent all of those tbh even discounting Karna's other resistances

 

[Schnee_One]

Not on his file

 

[Paul_Frank]

He has authority resistances

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah none of those resistances that would prevent that are on the file. From the look of it Gengar either licks or possesses.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I mean those are wincons. What can Lancer do?

 

[John985]

Spam a 6-C attack. or going VS for High 3-A to low 2-C attack.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Absorb potentially. Given regen, many of his options are nullified and Gengar isn't gonna kill him through physical blows so conceptual damage reduction won't help.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Spam a 6-C attack. or going VS for High 3-A to low 2-C attack.

So basically jump tier? Wasn't this disallowed?

 

[John985]

Kinda forgot to add, most of the Hax of Kama should be able to resist by Base Karna.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah

 

[Paul_Frank]

We don't list all the authority resistances on any profile because there are too many of them

Sleep manip should be included in magic resistance as well since thats a normal magecraft thing iirc.

Not sure how you can possess a servant really, considering they don't have an actual body but I'm fairly certain they should resist

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Authority resistances are on the profile though, and none of them are paralysis or the other things I named. And everything I listed is very in character for Gengar. There's also life force absorption from just being Karna's shadow. Lemme check if Karna resists that too.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That's not all the resistances that's just some of them paralysis is also normal magecraft and falls under magic resist

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Gengar because that photo makes me deathly uncomfortable.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So it's either Gengar wins with possession or Lancer resists and wins with absorption.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's not all the resistances that's just some of them paralysis is also normal magecraft and falls under magic resist

The problem is Gengar's stuff is not done by magic.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

If it's some biological ability that may work.

 

[John985]

That's not all the resistances that's just some of them paralysis is also normal magecraft and falls under magic resist

BB already have paralysis, so any ability of BB should also be put to Karna's resistance, We just focus on adding abbilites but not the resistance.

 

[Paul_Frank]

It's still resisted based on the profile, the magecraft resistances specify effects that they resist not just "they resist magic" verse equal would also make them count as nasu magic anyway so they get resisted

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You don't autoresist something because you fight someone who has it. Otherwise Gengar would resist all of Alakazam's abilities and vice versa.

 

[John985]

BB's power is base on the Moon Cell, and Karna resist the Moon Cell.

 

[Paul_Frank]

It's specified that Karna's armor has authority that eclipses that of the mooncell which grants resistance to everything it can do.

Higher authority in nasu resists everything the lower authority is able to do

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Gengar starts with licks, and you shake so violently that you die. Or hypnosis, none of which are magic based.

 

[Schnee_One]

You don't autoresist something because you fight someone who has it. Otherwise Gengar would resist all of Alakazam's abilities and vice versa.

I don't see the problem with that if they fight eachother constantly

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

But I agree with scaling resistances though.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Gengar starts with licks, and you shake so violently that you die. Or hypnosis, none of which are magic based.

They dont have to be magic based because based on the profiles magic resistance gives resistance to the effects. It would also be considered magic by verse equalization

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Gengar has multiple wincons whilst all I've read from Lancer is tier jumping abilities that aren't allowed and one wincon pf absorption.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

After the several convos I've been about Bleach and Reiatsu, I can confidently say that's not how verse equalization works.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

If it isn't classed as magical in verse or something of that sort it isn't equalized like that.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That is how it works though for like, any verse besides bleach

If one verse would consider something magic and another verse doesn't it's still considered magic in the thread

@emperor

Why would tier jumping abilities not be allowed that's not in the rules anywhere?

 

[Schnee_One]

I also debunked that repeatedly on the Cole vs Sigurd thread

Attacks in Nasuverse are repelled by magic depending on how much magic they have, Soichiro proves this perfectly

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What's the "that" you're talking about? That it is magic or it isn't magic?