4th War Lightspeed travel feat?

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Madara and 2nd Tsuchikage reacting to their arrival:

http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/13


http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/14

Madara and 2nd Tsuchikage taking a hit from a object moving at the speed of light, with Madara regaining balance + Raikage and Tsunade remaining alright (Raikage seems fine, Tsunade heals up with her healing jutsu)

What can we take from this?

 

[Promestein]

What about this is lightspeed, exactly

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Raikage and Tsunade were put on a teleporter that'd transport them at light speed, lightspeed part is the speed Tsunade and Raikage jolt across the map and hit Madara/ Tsuchikage


Of course this feat cant be perfromed by the kages but the subject of focus here is:

Tsunade and Ay surviving speed of light movement,

Madara and Tsuchikage reacting to the incoming attack (which is at the speed of light)

Madara and Tsuchikage surviving a lightspeed hit (This isn't as important since their edo bodies and its unsure if a character's durability is affected by edo bodies)

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lucyy

Naruto as a whole is prone to using hyperbole.

Madara's attacks were described as lightspeed (but clearly weren't), Temari's wind was said to be able to "blow away everything in the universe", and so on.

The Flying Thunder God Technique is instant teleportation, as in travels from A to B instantly, thus it can't be quantified.

By this logic, every teleporter would be lightspeed.

 

[Gemmysaur]

What Prom said. I see nothing close to alluding to lightspeed here.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Madara's lightfang attack was a lightbeam... but anywas

http://www.**********.com/naruto/529/7

Ay's assistant Mabui use the teleporter to transport objects at the speed of light; it's her specialty to move objects at that speed.

http://www.**********.com/naruto/529/8 It's shown to do so here

http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/13 then shown the light reaching the area where Madara and Tsuchikage are, you can see the light at the top of the panel where Madara and Tsuchikage are running, and then them reacting to the light making a stop (Tsuchikage blocking)

Then boom, http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/14 Madara and Tsuchikage are both hit by Tsunade and A still shrouded in the jutsu showing they were traveling at light speed.

Madara with his good reflex lands on his feet after being launched as the Tsuchikage is unable to regain balance quickly.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

To add on proving Tsunade and Raikage traveled at such a speed, http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/15 Raikage asks Tsunade if she's alright (he's unscathed), she replies and activates her healing jutsu.

It's stated by Mabui she only use her jutsu to move inanimate objects usually, only using it on the other Raikage due to his durability: http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/6 http://www.**********.com/naruto/562/7

I'm not saying Tsunade and Raikage can travel at the speed of light on will (sorry for misleading title)

Whats counted for is

Tsunade and Ay surviving speed of light movement,

Madara and Tsuchikage reacting to the incoming attack (which is at the speed of light)

Madara and Tsuchikage surviving a lightspeed hit (This isn't as important since their edo bodies and its unsure if a character's durability is affected by edo bodies)

 

[Reppuzan]

Regardless, it would not be proper to give them them such speeds since:

1) There's no indication that Tsunade and A didn't simply finish teleporting in before punching them while everyone was stunned by the bright flash.

2) Jutsu runs on magic-like properties and rarely follows the laws of physics properly.

3) Physics break down at the speed of light, making it unsuitable for durability feats.

4) It's a horrendous outlier that far outstrips anything Naruto shows on a regular basis. Tsunade is not known for her speed, and to say that she's that much faster than the likes of A and the Fourth Hokage when she clearly isn't is ridiculous.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

No no, I'm not saying they should be at speed of light, I said it like twice already

Tsunade and Ay surviving speed of light movement,

Madara and Tsuchikage reacting to the incoming attack (which is at the speed of light)

Madara and Tsuchikage surviving a lightspeed hit (This isn't as important since their edo bodies and its unsure if a character's durability is affected by edo bodies)

 

[Gemmysaur]

What makes you think that they flew towards Madara at lightspeed instead of being instanteneously transported and jumped out after arriving during the flash?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Pretty much what Gemmysaur said, it is far more reasonable to think that they attacked once they stopped traveling at lightspeed.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

They're still shrouded in the light that shows that they're still in the jutsu. If they landed, and then jumped at them with their normal speeds Madara and the Tsuchikage would've blocked/dodged because everyone knows Madara is already much faster than the two.

+ They wouldn't be shrouded in the light of the jutsu if it was already over, the speed they came flying in is shown visually as well. We know that the jutsu is light speed, and that they traveled at the speed of light. It's shown the the jutsu isn't deactivated by the time they land. Too add on we also know that Tsunade and Raikage have never been shown to travel at the speed of light so it would make a lot less sense if they comfortably landed, regained their balanced, and then charged at the two. By the time Madara would have easily reacted.

 

[Reppuzan]

None of those scans show that they're still shrouded in light. Madara and Mu visibly flinch as the bright light reaches the area and the space in the background is simply typical manga coloring.

They certainly wouldn't have comfortably landed, but the time frame given by the flash of light could have disoriented them. If someone knows the episode where this took place, it'd be nice to have so we can get a play by play.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

In any case the "feat" seems too uncearten to be applied.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

How could we ignore the feat of Madara and Tsuchikage reacting to a lightspeed attack + Tsunade and Raikage survive being in it?

This would be a good add on to Madara's reaction speeds which (he dodges most things in the series anyways), and Raikage + Tsunade's durability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXANsoxg2Xw at 5:30 even in english translation its said to be light speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0COxyaRVv1Y 7:58 Raikage and Tsunade are transported

same video, 8:59 Madara and Tsuchikage lunge forward at the same time Raikage and Tsunade fly at them at light speed (shown by the bright light still), and hit them.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Nah man. Looks to me like they get transported at lightspeed, dropped at the end location with a flash of light as an after effect, and they proceed to attack Madara who was disoriented by the flash. Nothing lightspeed there beyond the instanteneous teleport.

If anything, it's more like taking a train to the next station, after getting off the train, then you proceed to run at your human running speed to your enemy outside the station; than ramming your enemy with the train itself.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

We already know that Madara can damn well dodge the Raikage and Tsunade lol!

The speed they fly at Madara and Tsuchikage after he reacted is shown to be them landing from the light meaning they never landed on the ground, they flew straight into Madara and the Tsuchikage.

Madara's dodged things that he doesn't even see with his eyes or isn't even lookin at (Gaara's sand and Sasuke for example who is much faster than Tsunade and Raikage.)

Both anime AND the manga show that they're still shrouded in light when they arrive @The enemy team, manga showns they're still in the jutsu when they hit Madara and Tsuchikage.

We know Madara reacted and we know they came in at the speed of light. There's no showing that they landed/bounced and jumped at the enemy team at their regular speeds. If they "landed and then jumped at Madara and Tsuchikage" that means they would have to regain their balance, ruining the element of surprise Madara was hit with.

 

[Gemmysaur]

We know that he can dodge Raikage and Tsunade. It's not all that impressive for the top tiers.

>landing from the light

>never landed

What? Anyways, they can jump towards a teleport jutsu that moves them at lightspeed, but that doesn't mean they continue to fly at lightspeed after reaching the end point of the jutsu. Else, they fly right through everyone in the end since they can't turn midair due to lack of flight, collateral damage from lightspeed aside.

Madara dodging things without looking is irrelevant here in what you're trying to prove.

Being shrouded in light does not mean much. It could just be that the jutsu activates with a flash of light, you know, like how many teleportation abilities in fiction tend to do to be flashy as hell.

We know Madara reacted when they came out of the light, but not that they were moving at lightspeed.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

The jutsu isn't shown to slow objects down towards the end, it's over-all use it to transport things at the speed of light. To assume that they slowed down as they approached Madara doesn't make sense when it's clearly shown that Raikage and Tsunade show no signs of slowing down or any sort of breaks flying in. I want some imput on others from the site because I don't feel like we're really getting anywhere

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

If there was any indication of drop in speed, we would've seen the jutsu end before Tsunade and Raikage kicked Madara and Tsuchikage, how ever that is not the case.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lucy

To put it bluntly, any object would get smashed if it didn't slow down upon arrival, so it's impractical to think that it just slams the target into the ground at light speed.

The flash could have easily covered their arrival along with typical manga cinematic time.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

http://www.**********.com/naruto/529/8

No sign of slow down; the object that was exampled must have some crazy high durability showing as it slammed on the ground hella hard; Tsunade also shows she took some damage when she landed.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lucy

That's not how physics works. As you approach the speed of light, mass literally approaches infinity. If it worked the way you implied, the Earth would be split in half, and the characters in question would have to have infinite durability.

Neither scenario occurs in this case.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Not every feat has physics applied to it, if that was the case the DC Universe wouldn't have existed, Bleach, Star-Wars, One Piece and Digimon would all be wiped along with Dragon Ball Z

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lucy

Unfortunately, in the context you're attempting to use it in, it matters.

Moving at the speed of light cannot be used for a durability feat. Three staff members have already pointed out why your argument doesn't hold weight. You can't just ignore our standards for lightspeed feats.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Mmmm what about Madara reacting to the attack?

 

[Reppuzan]

We've already pointed out how it's way more likely that they simply finished teleporting and ''then'' jumped out and hit them while they were stunned by the flashs.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Reppuzan, Kkapoios, and Gemmysaur.

Lucyy, I would appreciate if you permanently drop this subject.

 

[LucyyXNyuXHana]

Yeah I think Reppuzan gave good disclousure to the topic, this can be dropped. Thanks for the input guys