(3-2-0) Sans is the boss of another Evil Route (Sans vs Noelle Holiday)

[ShionAH]

Also did you make this match to farm losses then? You are saying Kris already won so Noelle should also, so you make a blatant biased thread to do what? Give Sans some losses?? Dude he is fictional

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also did you make this match to farm losses then? You are saying Kris already won so Noelle should also, so you make a blatant biased thread to do what? Give Sans some losses?? Dude he is fictional

Calm down with the accusations boy, by this logic no one should be allowed to vote in their own threads because otherwise is to "farm loses" lmao.

I am just giving arguments to why imo Noelle wins.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I disagree with IA 100% covering everything that's remotely dodgeable, as we ain't making Sans dodge danmaku that's above the paygrade of what's shown in UT either.

Except that Noelle does not do a massive insane Danmaku? It is a singular attack that just lands really close and you need insane reaction feat to dodge it... oh wait, Sans did exactly that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

And I don't agree with that because Sans lacks feats to deal with that.

You're just stonewalling at this point and repeating the same stuff over and over, it's tiring.

 

[ShionAH]

I am just giving arguments to why imo Noelle wins.

Strym, you just said Noelle should be able to win because Sans lost to Kris who can do the exact same thing.

I just really hate it when people make these kinds of matches where its obvious one character wins because another character thats REALLY similar won, same way when they make one character have all advantages and cripple the other.

What is there to even debate here? Sans dodges, or not. Oh yeah he lost to Kris and another character lost because of the same reason which means the wiki says Sans cannot dodge! Wonderful versus thread

Anyways like I said, this is a mismatch imo because the Deltarune attack system and Undertale are both really weird to the point where I disagree with ANY outcome. Peace

 

[StrymULTRA]

Strym, you just said Noelle should be able to win because Sans lost to Kris who can do the exact same thing.

Tbh it's a bit different this time as the argument there was Kris adapting to Sans stuff and cutting him.

Noelle does not have as much skill as Kris, but should still be able to freeze him faster than Sans manages to KR her.

Anyways like I said, this is a mismatch imo because the Deltarune attack system and Undertale are both really weird to the point where I disagree with ANY outcome. Peace

Cya then.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And I don't agree with that because Sans lacks feats to deal with that.

He gets tagged by gun then.

You're just stonewalling at this point and repeating the same stuff over and over, it's tiring.

Same applies to you tbh. I don't believe that you properly addressed my arguments and thus are just repeating yourself as well. But, agree to disagree ig.

 

[StrymULTRA]

You're just spamming the exact same arguments Orange. I cannot debate if you'll go back to square one with points I already answered to.

Peace.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You're just spamming the exact same arguments Orange. I cannot debate if you'll go back to square one with points I already answered to.

Same applies to you tbh. I don't believe that you properly addressed my arguments and thus are just repeating yourself as well.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Does Deltarune HP translate 1-to-1 with UT's (As in, does Noelle have 90 HP)?

 

[Arkansalter2]

What counters sans dodging everything?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Does Noelle keep her 90 HP here?

UT and DR are different verses, so nah.

It'd be asking if every videogame chara keeps its HP against Sans.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What counters sans dodging everything?

The fact that the thing straight up spawns on him because of Noelle's attacks bypassing distance.

 

[ShionAH]

UT and DR are different verses, so nah.

Its just an alternate reality, no?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Doesn't Sans just dodge it anyway? He don't give a damn how close it spawns. He'll dodge it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Its just an alternate reality, no?

Toby Fox verbatim said that they're different universes with different rules, something that's actually true as Monsters and Determination work fundamentally in a whole other way between these games.

So no, it's gonna be treated as a different verse just like Undertale and Digimon are.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't Sans just dodge it anyway? He don't give a damn how close it spawns. He'll dodge it.

Have you heard of a nice lil' term called NLF?

We don't magically assume that having IA = dodging whatever has even the tiniest chance to be dodged.

Not really. Back when both were just Low 2-C, MUI Goku lost against Reimu because despite his IA, he had no feats of dodging consistently something on the level of Reimu's danmaku, but it wasn't deemed a stomp.

So I think the same applies here.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Funny enough if that's undodgeable kind of stuff it would be a stomp in Noelle's favor, and if it is dodgeable then it is a stomp in Sans' favor.

I'd retract my vote and just argue the stomp but I sense that people will just ignore that anyways so lemme stick to Sans.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Noelle can technically adapt enough given she's "technically" still controlled by the Player.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

UT and DR are different verses, so nah.

It'd be asking if every videogame chara keeps its HP against Sans.

Don't think anything in Deltarune (At the amount) is as tough to dodge as sans' "strongest attack," especially since she's going in completely blind, and with only 20 HP, even a single graze should end it. So chances are Noelle dies before she attacks, real sad.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Y'all acting as if that Kris vs Sans is wrong, just argue its removal at this point.

 

[ShionAH]

Y'all acting as if that Kris vs Sans is wrong, just argue its removal at this point.

BRO I REMOVED IT (I think), YOU ADDED IT BACK WITH THE SOCIAL INFLUENCE FIASCO

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Y'all acting as if that Kris vs Sans is wrong, just argue its removal at this point.

Definitely a stomp now that Kris has this, "Immortality (Type 8; Through the player who is capable of resurrecting them)"
They're basically just a better Frisk for this fight.

 

[StrymULTRA]

BRO I REMOVED IT (I think), YOU ADDED IT BACK WITH THE SOCIAL INFLUENCE FIASCO

The reason why I readded it is because SI was the entire reason behind the removal.

There were not other reasons, so yeah, this is not a valid complaint.

Definitely a stomp now that Kris has this, "Immortality (Type 8; Through the player who is capable of resurrecting them)"

Who did add it tho lol.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

They're basically just a better Frisk for this fight.

Frisk has that too bruh.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Frisk has that too bruh.

I do not remember who or what added that shit, genuinely.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ah, it was here.

Thread 'Adding an additional ability for Kris and Frisk...'

Jun 24, 2024

Well, this is a simple and straightforward CTR that has already been discussed a bit in the Undertale/Deltarune discussion thread

It is necessary to add Immortality (Type 8) to Frisk and Kris through the Player, a canon entity that controls them both.

Agree: 4 (@Minion_of_Pigsaw, @Axorandom0, @Therefir, @DarkDragonMedeus)
Disagree:
Neutrals:

• EnderLord8
• deltarune frisk kris (deltarune) undertale
• Replies: 38
• Forum: Content Revision

• 

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Who did add it tho lol.

Here.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ah, it was here.

Thread 'Adding an additional ability for Kris and Frisk...'

Jun 24, 2024

Well, this is a simple and straightforward CTR that has already been discussed a bit in the Undertale/Deltarune discussion thread

It is necessary to add Immortality (Type 8) to Frisk and Kris through the Player, a canon entity that controls them both.

Agree: 4 (@Minion_of_Pigsaw, @Axorandom0, @Therefir, @DarkDragonMedeus)
Disagree:
Neutrals:

• EnderLord8
• deltarune frisk kris (deltarune) undertale
• Replies: 38
• Forum: Content Revision

• 

Fine, you win, you were first.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Frisk has that too bruh.

Why is that at the bottom
Better as in, slashes that appear on you and Yellow Mode lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sans FRA

 

[ShionAH]

Now that I think about it, I think Sans is too smart and skilled to lose to Noelle. And I do believe it makes more sense he can dodge the magic, voting Sans

 

[StrymULTRA]

Better as in, slashes that appear on you and Yellow Mode lol

Tbh rethinking about it the DR Player canonically controls Noelle and completed Undertale prior (because of some of the dialogue choices being things that Kris just has no way to know without prior knowledge of Undertale), so huh...

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans FRA

Didn't expect that-

 

[Catbowtie]

You didn't play the game? No wonder you glaze Sans so much.

Because it's clear that in Snowgrave those are kills, what do you think happened to that Pink Addison or Berdly?

Only played Chapter 1

 

[StrymULTRA]

Only played Chapter 1

...then why are you here?

 

[Monsters_fight]

Tbh rethinking about it the DR Player canonically controls Noelle and completed Undertale prior (because of some of the dialogue choices being things that Kris just has no way to know without prior knowledge of Undertale), so huh...

Wrong, we know Deltarune takes place before Undertale because we know Sans and Papyrus come from Deltarune and they went to Snowdin

 

[Edutyn]

I believe this is a "Who attacks first" scenario

If Noelle attacks first, Sans: A) Cannot dodge and dies. B) Dodge and teleports away to avoid danger and so plans a strategy.

If Sans attacks first and applies Karma: A) Noelle collapses for the sins she committed and for freezing her friend. B) the player takes control of Noelle.

Going by personality, I doubt Noelle would attack first without orders from Kris/Player.

So... I vote for Sans

 

[Catbowtie]

...then why are you here?

Because I am a Sans supporter and have the god given gift of literacy. Plus I can just read the arguments and her profile to fill in any information I'm missing on Noelle.