28 Days Later: Street level+ upgrade

[Jason_Courne]

Some fixes for the 28 Days Later Infected by adding feats and calculations to the profiles

• An infected punches a hole through a wood wall: 397 joules
• Two infected can slam a double door off its hinges: 7343 joules per door
• An infected soldier completely sends two doors flying off their hinges: 14.7 kilojoules for both doors
• Unknown infected group slam a locked door and barricades away: 191 to 495 joules
• "Tearing apart humans" is generally Street level (Arm / full body, head, jaw)
• Infected can take hits from crowbars / baseball bats as on their page, which are street level weapons
• Infected are implied to be capable of snapping necks

Their intelligence is also getting downgraded to High Animalistic due to intelligence page's decriptions

High Animalistic: Highly intelligent animals that can use tools or have comparable problem-solving feats. For example, dolphins, chimpanzees, and certain crows and octopi.

vs

Below Average: Characters of below average intellects and unremarkable skills.

 

[Cropfist]

The wood was covering a window, the door feat has athlete level results + was done by a group, and real humans can withstand melee weapons.

 

[Jason_Courne]

The wood was covering a window, the door feat has athlete level results + was done by a group, and real humans can withstand melee weapons.

No that was straight up a wood wall, forcing open a door is athlete to street level and it was with several heavy objects blocking the door shut, and normal humans can reach up to street level+ general durability

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Cropfist]

No that was straight up a wood wall, forcing open a door is athlete to street level and it was with several heavy objects blocking the door shut, and normal humans can reach up to street level+ general durability

This is clearly a window they broke through

Breaking through a door's lock is street level, not just pushing barricades. It takes a very peaked human to net street level stats.

 

[Jason_Courne]

This is clearly a window they broke through

No it was quite clearly a wall, you can even still see the infected's hand through the hole. Just slamming a door open requires that energy, not including the several filing cabinets pinning the door shut. Not really, people can generate Street level energy just by jogging and people have survived building height drops

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Cropfist]

No it was quite clearly a wall, you can even still see the infected's hand through the hole. Just slamming a door open requires that energy, not including the several filing cabinets pinning the door shut. Not really, people can generate Street level energy just by jogging and people have survived building height drops

That's a very small hole, not sure it even reaches 9-C. The door's kinetic energy might be street level, but there is no way that scales to people who slam doors all the time. I am also fairly sure we stopped using animal running KE a while ago.

 

[Jason_Courne]

That's a very small hole, not sure it even reaches 9-C

The hole is larger than the entire hand, and the wall punching calc only uses the fist's surface area. No Street level is the force a person exerts in order to slam a door open, not the door's kinetic energy, it's also on the fairly low end of Street level too. We don't use kinetic energy for fictional verses, but we still use it for the real world profile (it just no longer scales to durability)

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[ThePrimalHunter]

I agree with the changes

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Jason_Courne]

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[Iceking_24]

I agree

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Jason_Courne]

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[Random-Helper323]

Actually the calculation of slamming a door open is for shearing the latch apart. In most cases slamming open a locked door consists of breaking the wooden door jamb (the length of wood with the hole in it that the latch goes into), which can actually be achieved pretty easily in most cases. Just ask anyone who's ever kicked a door in or repaired one afterwards. I've done the latter and I've known more people who've done the former than I'd like to admit.

The boards on the window is significant, since the boards visibly got broken apart rather than simply pushed out of the wall. Depending on the strength of the boards it very much could be Street level, although those boards do look thin and a bit lacking in strength, so I don't know.

 

[Jason_Courne]

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In most cases slamming open a locked door consists of breaking the wooden door jamb

The doors look metal and made for quarantine, so it'd probably be way higher than a standard house door

As for the boards, they do look fairly thick in comparison to the hand

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Jason_Courne]

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[Jason_Courne]

Day 74 bump

 

[Jason_Courne]

Also as a side note, the Infected are getting downgraded to High Animalistic as per the description

Highly intelligent animals that can use tools or have comparable problem-solving feats. For example, dolphins, chimpanzees, and certain crows and octopi.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Day 78 bump

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah, OP has some issues.

• Punching a hole through a wood wall: 397 joules

Multiple audible slams, even if it wasn't a group. We also aren't on the scene for the entirety of them beating on that door.

Smashing double doors off their hinges: 7343 joules per door or 14.7 kilojoules total

Doors automatically open, as seen earlier in the video. Not quite the same as doors meant to stay rigid. Disagree with using this one at all.

• Slamming a door open: 191 to 495 joules

opening doors is 9-C now lol?
It's a group, and they seem to be moreso contending with shit piled up in front of the door rather than a lock. Probably a feat, but more in the vein of LS, and would be divided amongst them. No idea if that would yield a stat relevant result, doubly so given it's in the format of a comic book (leading to debatable assumptions), I just mean to say that this is a feat, even if it's not the feat it's being reported as.

"Tearing apart humans" is generally Street level / Wall level (Arm / full body, head, jaw)

Yeah but which of these have they done lol? There aren't exactly many decapitated corpses around, purely because they mostly don't rip off body parts. They bite and mangle and claw, which can lead to cut off limbs, but this isn't for that. Not to mention "(Only reason they aren't getting Wall level is because the arm / full body and jaw calcs were never accepted)".

• Crowbars / baseball bats are Street level

Okay?

They are also implied to be capable of snapping necks like with Private Bedford (reaching / grabbing the neck followed by loud crunch), so the Infected should be upgraded to Street level+ and possibly Class 1

Snapping necks isn't acceptable grounds for upgrades in of itself, it must be substantive. I agree with this being a feat but it doesn't constitute an upgrade in of itself. Should other 9-C+ feats exist, this is nice backup, maybe a small bump. I don't think anything remotely implies Class 1 (indeed, there's a good amount of antifeats anyways) so that bit is just not happening.

So I disagree with the tier changes for now, although I'm open to the possibility that they have enough 9-C feats to be that, should the arguments arise. LS is just straight up not happening, I don't really mind the intelligence one way or another so I'll agree with that for now.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Multiple audible slams, even if it wasn't a group. We also aren't on the scene for the entirety of them beating on that door.

That's just for the single infected that punched a hole through the wall, rather than the group that forced the door down

Doors automatically open, as seen earlier in the video. Not quite the same as doors meant to stay rigid. Disagree with using this one at all.

The doors are still just normal doors though, they're not like those sliding glass doors, and the soldier completely sent them off their hinges

Also debatably a door opener would make it more difficult to open without using it's controller as it could add more weight and resistance to opening the door naturally

It's a group, and they seem to be moreso contending with shit piled up in front of the door rather than a lock. Probably a feat, but more in the vein of LS, and would be divided amongst them. No idea if that would yield a stat relevant result, doubly so given it's in the format of a comic book (leading to debatable assumptions), I just mean to say that this is a feat, even if it's not the feat it's being reported as.

Breaking the door latch is Athlete to Street level, but I edited above to clarify it was a group effort

Yeah but which of these have they done lol?

I mostly pointed them out as specific examples of tearing apart human, as generic goring of a person is street level

Snapping necks isn't acceptable grounds for upgrades in of itself, it must be substantive.

Ok, removed Class 1 and just merged it into Peak Human

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's just for the single infected that punched a hole through the wall, rather than the group that forced the door down

Yeah, but they can still have been hitting the same approximate area, and in all likelihood were in fact doing that. Zombies have no noticeable ability to discern a door from a wall. Regardless, multiple strikes are heard, and this wasn't something that got instantly punched through.

The doors are still just normal doors though, they're not like those sliding glass doors, and the soldier completely sent them off their hinges

Also debatably a door opener would make it more difficult to open without using it's controller as it could add more weight and resistance to opening the door naturally

They're not normal doors, they're doors designed to assist people in opening them. I think that's at the very least a notable mitigating/obfuscating factor.

I mostly pointed them out as specific examples of tearing apart human, as generic goring of a person is street level

Ripping off a human head is a very specifically high-end feat. Pulling it like that is much, much, much harder than cutting it off. As I said, cutting is very different from pulling. Mangling the human body doesn't actually require 9-C+ AP, just persistence.

 

[Jason_Courne]

They're not normal doors, they're doors designed to assist people in opening them

That would only mean the doors open more easily, which would be separate from just ripping their hinges off (also those types of doors are typically just normal doors upgraded with an automatic opener)

Ripping off a human head is a very specifically high-end feat. Pulling it like that is much, much, much harder than cutting it off. As I said, cutting is very different from pulling. Mangling the human body doesn't actually require 9-C+ AP, just persistence.

Yes, but more generic gore, like ripping open the stomach, tearing apart skin, muscle, ect would be around street level as seen with our real world weapon pages

 

[Jason_Courne]

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[Jason_Courne]

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