2300 Newtons of Force for Skull-Busting

[Flashlight237]

Hey there. So, according to the wiki, a skull takes 35-106 kilojoules to break (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Crushing_a_Human_Skull ), yet according to neurosurgeons and biomedical engineers (aka people more knowledgeable on this topic than us VBW users), it takes far less than what the wiki had listed to accomplish this task: https://www.sciencealert.com/game-of-thrones-exposed-the-science-of-skull-crushing

As you can tell, a force of 2300 Newtons (235 kg) to crush a skull on the low end, and 500 kg (4900 newtons) on the high end. The 500 kg figure comes from skull fractures, of course, but still. Would it be possible that the wiki exaggerated the numbers a bit too much here?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It said 235 kg is enough force to crack a human skull; which isn't quite the same as completely shattering it. And the important thing is the method; our calc is based on shattering the human skull with a single punch. We also use energy rather than force.

 

[AguilaR101]

The calc represents something closer to completely shattering all of the bone mass in the skull, it might be a bit exagerated to apply it to any and all skull breaking feats since some only go as far as cracking it, which is what I assume is the scenario assumed for the article.

 

[Flashlight237]

It said 235 kg is enough force to crack a human skull; which isn't quite the same as completely shattering it. And the important thing is the method; our calc is based on shattering the human skull with a single punch. We also use energy rather than force.

Even then, isn't force also an important part of physics? That and it's a bit more than just cracking the thing, as quoted from the PDF of the study itself.: "Evaluation of the helmet-only compression data showed initial cracking that occurred in the range of 100― 200 lbf. The average cracking force was found to be 140 lbf. The skull and helmet assembly could not be crushed in the compression stand even under the maximum force experienced by the load cell (470 lbf). It could be seen during testing, however, that the helmets without the skull cracked at approximately 190 lbf. This is consistent with data from the compression testing provided by the manufacturer of the selected helmet used during the tests. The unhelmeted skull underwent catastrophic failure during testing, experiencing a maximum load of 520 lbf."

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Our tiering system is based on energy rather than force; lifting strength is based on force, but striking strength is based on energy. Potential Energy = Force * Launching distance similar to how Kinetic Energy = 0.5 * Mass * Velocity squared. The durability of bones is also rather inconsistent as some people have stronger bones than others. Additionally, the bones of living people are usually stronger than the bones of dead people.

 

[AguilaR101]

They only measure the amount of force needed to crack it, our calc represents the energy necessary to completely shatter a skull like if it were cheap glass.

 

[Flashlight237]

They only measure the amount of force needed to crack it, our calc represents the energy necessary to completely shatter a skull like if it were cheap glass.

Keyword: catastrophic failure. That's more than cracking.

 

[AguilaR101]

That's literally nothing without additional context, it is simply damage which cannot be recovered from, which cracking the skull in half totally falls under.

 

[KLOL506]

We don't use force-based calcs in this wiki, energy-based calcs only.