Ainz vs Madara

[PaChi2]

Post revival one rinnenga jinchuriki Madara Uchiha vs Ainz Ooal Gow

SBA.

Speed equal

I can change Madara's key if needed.

Who takes the cake?


Ainz Ooal Gown (Momonga)

 

[Schnee_One]

GRASP

HEART

 

[PaChi2]

Oh, right.

Let's make it one rinngan juudara.

That guy had regen.

 

[PaChi2]

The pic has 2 rinnegans, ignore it

 

[TriforcePower1]

Where are cuccos? ovo

 

[PaChi2]

Where are cuccos? ovo

Okay... let's give it a try.

 

[PaChi2]

bump

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

inclusive.

Ainz might get to grasp hearth and death manipulate, but madara might activate limbo before that

 

[PaChi2]

inclusive.

Ainz might get to grasp hearth and death manipulate, but madara might activate limbo before that

Ya forget time stop.

Ability to hit stuff from other dimensions.

BFR.

etc.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

yes, but ainz prefers to use hearth grasp, and madara might get off limbo before ainz decides to use spells at all.

 

[PaChi2]

Anyway, I wont debate this.

Incon: 1

 

[Rocker1189]

Apparently grasp heart has a lower chance of working depending on the opponents level if not it just stuns them. Basically I dont think it works on Madara due to being oom above Ainz.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, it works the same as far as stun goes, only the oneshotting capabilities get countered by streinght

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah that is my point that I dont think the heart thing would work. Meaning ainz would get oneshot by limbo. So I vote Madara.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, he would still get stunned

 

[Rocker1189]

no, he would still get stunned

Yes but if they start together Limbo acts on its own. Madar would be stunned but limbo one shots.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but the point is that we do not know if madara would activate limbo right away. He used it once he got the rinnegan, but he also boasted a bit before it, which here could mean a loss

 

[Rocker1189]

but the point is that we do not know if madara would activate limbo right away. He used it once he got the rinnegan, but he also boasted a bit before it, which here could mean a loss

Yes but even then he woukd be stunned and not for long after the stun he can use Limbo then. There is literally nothing Ainz can do about it since death hax relies a lot on level difference and hp difference.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

not longer after the stun is not really an option when ainz has too many ways to kill him to list off

 

[PaChi2]

>Death hax relies a lot in hp difference and level difference.

Lol.

 

[Rocker1189]

>Death hax relies a lot in hp difference and level difference.
Lol.

It is true though that is what Ainz world is based off of and is mentioned a lot. It is what stopped death magic from being OP in the game.

 

[Rocker1189]

not longer after the stun is not really an option when ainz has too many ways to kill him to list off

Like what?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Ya forget time stop.

Ability to hit stuff from other dimensions.

BFR.

etc.

Death Instantly kills the target without any activation time or requirements. It is similar to grasp heart, but does not require the caster to crush the heart, and does not have its secondary stun effect

Greater Luck

Reality Slash: A 10th-Tier spell that bisects space to cut the target in half. Top class in damage dealing but consumes a lot of mana. The spell is considered to be a lesser version of 'World Break'

Cry of the Banshee: Shout that has an instant death effect, and can also be used with Widen Magic to cover a huge area.

The Goal of All Life is Death: This special skill is one of Ainz's most powerful abilities and comes from the Eclipse-class, which is one of the hardest classes to get because it requires the Overlord class with spells specialized in necromancy and instant death type magic. The Eclipse class lets the user become a true lord of death, a life-consuming Eclipse. Once activated, this skill delays any of the caster's instant death type spells for 12 seconds but allows them to ignore any types of resistance - even immunities or immortality. Ainz used this spell with '(Widen) Cry of the Banshee, and it killed everything in 200m (living beings, undead, oxygen, earth, water, etc), turning the area into a desolate wasteland and poisoning the air. The cooldown of this skill is 100 hours. It is not possible to resist this spell, with the only counter being that one must use either an item or skill that would cause them to be revived before the 12 seconds pass.

 

[Rocker1189]

Death is again hp based.

Reality slash would have to used it on the head. Or he would just regen.

Cry of the banshee same as Death.

TGoALiD takes 12 seconds Madara would not be stunned long enough.

 

[PaChi2]

The downplay is real here.

 

[Rocker1189]

The downplay is real here.

Tell me what I am wrong about.

If Madara uses Limbo first it is a sure win. If he does not Ainz would have some time and would have to make sure to use Reality slash on the head. Not on the body Like he did with Shalltear.

 

[PaChi2]

You are literally applying game mechanics to the match. Literally.

 

[Rocker1189]

You are literally applying game mechanics to the match. Literally.

Because game mechanics is what Ainzs abilities run on literally. He even says it in the LN. Literally.

 

[PaChi2]

Because game mechanics is what Ainzs abilities run on literally.

Sheer Cold now has 30% chance of hitting and only works on people with lower level?

And I take Cloud's gravity now makes hp-based damage instead of gravity manipulation.

We ignore game mechanics. No verse equalization gives you game mechanics.

 

[Rocker1189]

Sheer Cold now has 30% chance of hitting and only works on people with lower level?

And I take Cloud's gravity now makes hp-based damage instead of gravity manipulation.

We ignore game mechanics. No verse equalization gives you game mechanics.

I mean has he ever used it on a high level being? If not we can not know about that apart from what he says.

It is still gravity maipulation since even in game it would have been gravity manipulation.

We ignore it unless it is core to the verse. Overlord is not a real game. The same thing does not apply to it as what applies to games that exist.

 

[PaChi2]

 

[Rocker1189]

More memes and no substance what a surprise.

 

[PaChi2]

Sorry but I cant take you seriously now.

 

[Rocker1189]

I cant either if you bring nothing to a debate so the feeling is mutual/

 

[PaChi2]

Let's go:

>Madara doesnt have a level. And his stats wont give him a set level in Overlord. You cannot claim he is any level beyond 1 even with his stats.

>Madara has no racial augments or anything that prevents Death hax from working on him.

>Madara's equipment doesnt give him any sort of resistance to Ainz's haxes.

This is not a game. Madara doesnt randomly resist stuff that he shouldnt.

 

[Rocker1189]

Let's go:
>Madara doesnt have a level. And his stats wont give him a set level in Overlord. You cannot claim he is any level beyond 1 even with his stats.

>Madara has no racial augments or anything that prevents Death hax from working on him.

>Madara's equipment doesnt give him any sort of resistance to Ainz's haxes.

This is not a game. Madara doesnt randomly resist stuff that he shouldnt.

Actually none of the people in the New world have a level but Ainz can percieve them as such. Using his stats he probably has an absurdly high level.

Therefore his abilities that work in a specific way would probably do so.

You are right about the 2nd and third bits though.

It is not a game but it uses game mechanics.

But whatever I vote inconclusive.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

MY personal belief of it aside Rocker, what you are arguing is the same as hakai only working on people weaker then the user. I see where you are coming from, but that train of logic is rejected on the wiki

 

[PaChi2]

Ainz is not fully aware of how things work in the new world, he only has knowledge on how things worked in Yggdrasil. And his death hax has not failed yet to oneshot someone it has been used on.

 

[Rocker1189]

MY personal belief of it aside Rocker, what you are arguing is the same as hakai only working on people weaker then the user. I see where you are coming from, but that train of logic is rejected on the wiki

If that is how hakai works I am pretty sure it is accepted as such but again I gave up it is not worth it, if that is how it works then there is nothing more for me to say.

Ainz is quite a special case after all.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If that is how hakai works I am pretty sure it is accepted as such but again I gave up it is not worth it, if that is how it works then there is nothing more for me to say.

Ainz is quite a special case after all.

No, it is not accepted to not work on people stronger then the user, instead, DB characters get resistance.