2-A Nasuverse revision

[TheUnshakableOne]

So is the opposition changing their arguments a lot?

 

[Paul_Frank]

The oppositions argument has shifted like 3 times over the course of the thread which is part of why we have been derailed by side conversations

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

This is gonna be pretty simple.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Makkurona]

@Diinou

So, which topic we should address first about it?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

The Mooncell part. That part is where 2-A rating come from, and the root of this long argument.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Then someone brought up Holmes

 

[Makkurona]

Yes, but which part of the Moon Cell -.-"

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

It's something about how the timelimes stored in the Mooncell do not work like normal timelines, instead more like "Layers" of the World.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

I have no idea where that idea comes from.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Should I make a new thread for the avatar thing? Cuz that is going to significantly effect what is happening here, but I feel like it could also be considered derailment

 

[Makkurona]

@Iapitus

I think so, to not complicate things here further

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I don't think it would affect here much, if you're talking about the scaling. Because this thread has already derailed to "Why Moon Cell is 2-A?", and I think we end up having to keep the scaling talk for later again.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Who is ready for another Fate/Extra revision?

 

[Makkurona]

Here we go again~

 

[Paul_Frank]

Well we should probably do the avatar thing first because depending on the results of that thread this one may just become useless

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

How would it affect this one?

(Talking about BB being jumbled masses of datas, I recall it being stated in her Information Matrix since CCC, but it being her Avatar is new)

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

.... What does the avatar change..?

 

[Makkurona]

@Paul Frank Here? if so, then @Iampitus should post what he found

 

[Paul_Frank]

I'm pretty sure what Iap is trying to go for with the avatar thread is that the BB we fight doesn't scale to the mooncell because it's just an avatar of mooncell fused BB so depending on how that goes 2-A would just end up scaling to hax instead of ap.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

People need to stop trying to regretably discredit the other side in this debate and instead behave reasonably.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I can agree with that. Maybe not the best person to carry the message but still

 

[Paul_Frank]

No one is trying to "discredit" the other side of the debate.

The closest thing to that is pointing out that the other side's arguments literally don't make sense when you actually look at the events of the series.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

.... I beens saying that for a while lol.. The BB that was fought was jsut a past version of her.. @Paul Frank

But even that version of her had equal power to the Mooncell itself..

 

[Paul_Frank]

@upgrade

Yeah but Iap has been saying that the avatar shouldn't scale physically to the mooncell so if he can show reasoning as to why then the 2-A would just end up applying to hax like he hoped for when making the original thread

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I'll discuss it on a different thread if one is made. This would be considered deraiing i suppose, and i can see bad things happening if that continues...

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Here is the BB revisions thread.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3426364

 

[Dysmity]

This thread is getting laggier for me + i feel like anyone who might wanna give their input will have a hard time follow up on the discussion

Should be better to make a new thread to continue this

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Should like make a new one, specifically for Mooncell's 2-A rating.

But it seems people are busy with BB Avatar thingy, so, like other things, better kept for later.

 

[Dysmity]

Right, people are more busy with upgrading BB than looking to correct the mess this 2-A implemention has caused.

Also in case this wasn't obvious, i agree with Hun

 

[Paul_Frank]

The thread isn't an upgrade though if you look at it

It would basically get rid of 2-A if it goes through

 

[Dysmity]

It keeps the 2-A as hax. That's still a massive no for me

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

It is not an upgrade to BB, as is clear from the thread. What Hun wrote has no connection to the reasoning for the 2-A. That much is easy to understand and as such agreeing with him brings no results.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The scans i posted balantly state that there is many parrallal worlds within the Mooncell. That's all i gotta say.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

This thread is over 350 replies, making another thread is probably the best thing to continue. Especially after the discussion has taken many turns back and forth.

I've read the thread down and it seems that most of the evidence seems to actually favor Hun. I don't agree with everything that he said, but he seems to have supported his side better. I think some of the scans I looked at are either misconstrued or don't actually state what they're supposed to. Now, I've played through Extella fully and I can offer some clarification if its needed on that material.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Yeah, make a new one, so the reasons can be stated more clearly.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Honestly, depending on how the avatar thing goes, Hun didn't even have issue with the 2-A hax anyway, so it may be resolved ahead of time

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Didn't he make the arguments against 2-A Mooncell itself, as he said the timelines it created are actually like Reality Marbles or Layers, and don't qualify for real universes?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

My problem with that point is that the "Worlds" are perfectly described as "universes"

but he also made many claims that we rebutted on.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I think we should continue this in a new thread, after we're done with BB Avatar thingy.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Iapitus
If that comes from the Universe of awareness or the Universe of records then yeah.

@Diinou

He doesn't oppose the 2-A hax, as you can see, he just wants it for the right reasons