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1A Musashi NP

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Musashi's NP is 1A

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A sword-roaring battou. Still wielding two swords, she takes a firm stance and:
Lesser Celestial Thrust… then after overpowering the opponent with her swords’ energy to damage their spirit;
Greater Celestial Phenomenon… Musashi lets out her final blow with all her might.
The Niou appearing behind her is just a side-effect of her swords’ pressure.
It can be considered an embodiment of the sword of “Zero”, the concept of “Void” Musashi has yet to master.
It’s called an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm, but it is actually an Anti-Fate Noble Phantasm.
A Buddha sword that wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses and tragedies in a single sweep.
“After you scraped off something’s existence to the extreme, to the point you could say it no longer has any, “something” still remains.”
The extreme “One” they say “no two of” can be found.
The “Zero” that is beyond it… the concept of 「 」. (Her NP description that unlocks at bond 5)

Link for translation Type Moon wiki and fgo wiki also uses it and it seemed fine

Musashi's NP "Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou" is the concept of 「 」which is akasha

Name: Akasha, Swirl of the Root, "The Root", "The Spiral of Origin", "Heaven", 「 」 (Akasha's vsbw profile)

In Kara no Kyoukai, the Swirl of the Root, or Akashic Records, is the name used to pronounce 「 」 (quoted empty space, equivalent of " "), which is also referred to as "Emptiness" (空, Kara?) that is part of the title. Although, because the Swirl of the Root is a name, it automatically can't be said to be the same anymore, since 「 」 is a space of nothingness that can't even have a name.

Musashi's first key should be : Tier: Low 7-B, 1-A with Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou


Her AP for her first key should be : Attack Potency: Small City level (Has B-Rank Strength, putting her on par with King Arthur under Shirou), Outerverse level with Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou (Her Noble Phantasm is the concept of 「 」.)

Also possibly irrelevant attack speed with Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou

Agree : Bernkastelll, XRizkyx, TheUnshakableOne
Disagree :
Neutral :
 
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Upgrades like this should be determined and concluded by staff members, not via voting by simply saying "Agree" and then leaving it at that.

Someone call knowledgeable members to analyze this.
 
Having the concept of 「 」alone doesn't automatically qualify for 1-A. Shiki had that origin even in her non-void key.
 
Her cutting any unwanted scenarios and possibilities sounds more like hax rather than straight damage, not to mention it says she hasn't fully mastered the Void aspect unlike people like Void Shiki or Sieg who have a direct line to the Root and can utilize it with ease.
 
There are uhh

A few big problems with this

One, her void/nothingness is pretty explicitly not the same


Level 5 Bond

  • Nothingness: A
The highest order a swordsman can attain. The ultimate mental state.
It corresponds to the concept of suigetsu(2) of the Yagyuu Shinkage-ryu.
One is nothing, thus invincible. Only a swordsman who has reached the infinite mental state can perceive this.
This is what they mean when they mention nothingness with Musashi. In addition, just mentioning void or nothingness doesn't mean root, as Void and Nothingness are literally both the NA translation versions of two imaginary elements too, which makes it even more ludicrous to instantly assume root level.

Next, this is what her NP says

A sword-roaring battou. Still wielding two swords, she takes a firm stance and:
Lesser Celestial Thrust… then after overpowering the opponent with her swords’ energy to damage their spirit;
Greater Celestial Phenomenon… Musashi lets out her final blow with all her might.
The Niou appearing behind her is just a side-effect of her swords’ pressure.
It can be considered an embodiment of the sword of “Zero”, the concept of “Void” Musashi has yet to master.
It’s called an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm, but it is actually an Anti-Fate Noble Phantasm.
A Buddha sword that wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses and tragedies in a single sweep.
“After you scraped off something’s existence to the extreme, to the point you could say it no longer has any, “something” still remains.”
The extreme “One” they say “no two of” can be found.
The “Zero” that is beyond it… the concept of “ ”.

The Flower of Tengen keeps striving to reach this throne.
So even assuming they meant the actual root, they also explicitly note she hasn't even reached it so I don't know why you're trying to use the NP description for an upgrade.
 
Also with the Void Shiki thing, the origin of " " alone isn't even what made her 1-A, she only became connected to the Root when her Origin was forcibly awakened, which is further evidence that just mentions of " " aren't enough to scale anything
 
I know, thats what I said, shouldnt Musashi also have similar stuff?
Nope, she's not nearly as close as Void Shiki is to it, or Angra Mainyu and Sieg. All three have a direct connection to it while Musashi was stated not to. So even if her Origin was the same, it doesn't count.
 
Also, to further explain just why this wouldn't scale

Let's have a thought experiment. Let's assume that Musashi has reached the root already and that's also the void they're talking about. Let's ignore the two lines explaining that the NP is saying that she hasn't reached it anyway, twice in fact. Why would that be 1-A? She's not using the root's power at all, we know that simply reaching the Root doesn't require you to be 1-A either, so even assuming this holds, what exactly is the root level part of the NP.

“After you scraped off something’s existence to the extreme, to the point you could say it no longer has any, “something” still remains.”
The extreme “One” they say “no two of” can be found.
The “Zero” that is beyond it… the concept of 「 」
If you'd argue this means she scales, this is actually more reason for her not to, it's not getting rid of that One or Zero, it's leaving that because even when she scrapes away an existence that remains, so even assuming this instantly meant root, and that she reached it, nothing in her NP even implies she scales to it.
 
As far as I know, having the concept of something in this wiki does not mean having all the extensions of that concept. So it could be only some very basic 3D extensions of concept. For the reason that being beyond the concepts of space and time in this wiki does not make you instantly 1-A
 
It's pointed out that she has yet to master this void ability, no?

As far I remember, she fully mastered it at the end of Olympus' LB, but she only used it to severe the connection/portal between earth and Chaos when the latter appeared from lightyears of distance, but not only it wasn't used to damage Chaos, but it ended up killing her in the process and erasing her from the Throne of Heroes just like with Solomon.

And as the others pointed out, it seems there is a discrepancy with her actually having any similar connection compared to the likes of Shiki and Sieg.
 
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I'm neutral, but leaning toward disagree cause Paul's reason make much more sense, also the scaling chain problem, while i'm not well versed in this verse but think with a 1-A NP for a servant like this could cause many other goes to 1-A
 
Do you even realise that this would scale to most servants as they can contend with her NP? This is clearly an outline as no servant is 1-A. (Don't bring Shiki).
 
Im not expert in fate series (since i only watched Fate Apocrypha) but i disagree due to

1. Paul's arguments
2. If her NP really connected to the root, she shouldnt bother fighting the threat that exist in lostbelt 5.2. But in order to close the cracks by Chaos, she has to sacrificed her original spirit which ends up being erased in Throne of Heroes (this is my friends argument though)

Unless u want to say the threat that exist in lostbelt 5.2 connected to the root as well
 
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