Tanjiro vs Jonathan Joestar REMATCH

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Tanjiro Kamado

Tanjiro Kamado (竈門かまど 炭たん治じ郎ろう, Kamado Tanjirō?) is the main protagonist of Kimetsu no Yaiba. Tanjiro is a kind-hearted young man who has taken it upon himself to support his family, finding happiness despite their lives hardened by his father's death. But that brief warmth is shattered one day...

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Jonathan Joestar

Jonathan Joestar, nicknamed JoJo, is the first "JoJo" of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and the main protagonist of Part I: Phantom Blood. He discovers the malicious intent that his adopted brother, Dio Brando, had been planning against his family for several years. This leads to the penultimate...

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Post-Sun Breathing Mastery Tanjiro is used
SBA
Speed Equal

 

[Robo432343]

goku

 

[Chariot190]

SBA
Demon form

 

[Robo432343]

oh shit

 

[Robo432343]

changed it to PSBM Tanjiro

 

[That_moron2]

While Tanjiro has more skill with a blade, it’s definitely not in his best interest to attack Jonathan with his Nichirin since Hamon can travel through it which might cause him to drop it, at which point Jonathan dogs. Johnathan also has much better regen than Tanjiro on top of comparable or even greater stamina. Voting Jojo

 

[Chariot190]

Class 50 Vs. At least Class K

Tsk, tsk, tsk how unfortunate

クラス𝐊波紋戦士の引き裂き攻撃!!!
(there is no proof Tanjiro's body can withstand Class K forces)

 

[speedster352]

Doesn’t tanjiro have supernatural willpower he forced himself to stay alive after being hit by Muzan blood wouldn’t he just power trough have his organ stopped? Also Tanjiro has STW which would allow him to predict and attack accordingly.

 

[speedster352]

Also wouldn’t the nicherin sword absorb hamon since it’s sunlight energy and just empower the sword further?

 

[Chariot190]

Doesn’t tanjiro have supernatural willpower he forced himself to stay alive after being hit by Muzan blood wouldn’t he just power trough have his organ stopped? Also Tanjiro has STW which would allow him to predict and attack accordingly.

Hamon can stop your organs (notably the heart or induce a state of unconsciousness), but it can also induce madness, mind control, and a bunch more.

I don't think Tanjiro has feats of powering through his heart being fried, or anything comparable.

Also wouldn’t the nicherin sword absorb hamon since it’s sunlight energy and just empower the sword further?

Hamon is a form of life energy created from one's bloodstream, it just mimics the wavelength of sunlight (or, to be more exact, UV light) because that's what a vampire is weak to. It isn't literally sunlight energy, it's actually more like electricity in terms of mechanics.

 

[Livinmeme]

Tanjiro main attack metod can directly fry him, if JOJO decides to send hamon towards it

 

[CurrySenpai]

This is a mismatch, Tanjiro is 1-C because he defeated Bahamut in his crossover with Granblue so uhhhh please close?

 

[Arkenis]

Whats the counter to transparent world here

 

[Chariot190]

This is a mismatch, Tanjiro is 1-C because he defeated Bahamut in his crossover with Granblue so uhhhh please close?

Jonathan scales to Goku via J-Stars Victory Vs, who in turn has Fortnite scaling, so nice try pal

 

[Chariot190]

Whats the counter to transparent world here

The fact he doesn't even have to move to discharge Hamon so seeing his body ain't gonna help much against that (SBA is central park, plenty of stuff that can retain Hamon, such as the grass they stand on), a pretty heavy inherent stat advantage that can be buffed further if he charges Hamon so TW buffing can be mitigated easily. The fact any careless contact with Jonathan is dangerous even if he perfectly reacts (as in, him landing hits on Jonathan is dangerous).

Jonathan also has wacky body control, something he can use to easily mix Tanjiro up (such as popping his joints and ligaments in inhumane ways to extend or **** with his reach to catch him off-guard, something Hamon heals upon doing so, completely altering his blood flow and heartbeat to mess with reading his intent, etc), which is to say cool, ya have x-ray vision, against someone who can and will be altering his physiology here and there in ways a human simply can't, he'll probably pick up on it quickly, but messing up even once is very bad here.

 

[speedster352]

Also wouldn’t the nicherin sword absorb hamon since it’s sunlight energy and just empower the sword further

The fact he doesn't even have to move to discharge Hamon so seeing his body ain't gonna help much against that (SBA is central park, plenty of stuff that can retain Hamon, such as the grass they stand on), a pretty heavy inherent stat advantage that can be buffed further if he charges Hamon so TW buffing can be mitigated easily. The fact any careless contact with Jonathan is dangerous even if he perfectly reacts (as in, him landing hits on Jonathan is dangerous).

Jonathan also has wacky body control, something he can use to easily mix Tanjiro up (such as popping his joints and ligaments in inhumane ways to extend or **** with his reach to catch him off-guard, something Hamon heals upon doing so, completely altering his blood flow and heartbeat to mess with reading his intent, etc), which is to say cool, ya have x-ray vision, against someone who can and will be altering his physiology here and there in ways a human simply can't, he'll probably pick up on it quickly, but messing up even once is very bad here.

But she trough world works on demons who bodies are different from humans and changes as well. Can Johnathen resist Tanjiro aura?

Hamon can stop your organs (notably the heart or induce a state of unconsciousness), but it can also induce madness, mind control, and a bunch more.

I don't think Tanjiro has feats of powering through his heart being fried, or anything comparable.

Hamon is a form of life energy created from one's bloodstream, it just mimics the wavelength of sunlight (or, to be more exact, UV light) because that's what a vampire is weak to. It isn't literally sunlight energy, it's actually more like electricity in terms of mechanics.

That’s cool and all but it could still be absorbed by the blade since Tanjiro sword absorbed Nezuko blood demon art which is different from sunlight.

 

[Chariot190]

Also wouldn’t the nicherin sword absorb hamon since it’s sunlight energy and just empower the sword further

You already asked that. Hamon merely has a similar wavelength to UV rays.

But she trough world works on demons who bodies are different from humans and changes as well.

Yeah, and Jonathan isn't a demon, ******* up even once, being caught off-guard, is lethal here.
Don't think Tanjiro is going to assume the human can rip apart his tendons and dislocate his bones just to extend his fist by 10cm.

Can Johnathen resist Tanjiro aura?

Don't see why not, he could withstand Dio's evil aura which causes crippling fear to the point one might not even be able to move and nausea.

And yes, actually, Dio do be having that, for example



Even if he didn't literally do that or have the training to disregard his fear, he's confirmed to have a stronger will than Jotaro (He's a 5, Jotaro is a 4), who's iron manned through that type of shit.

That’s cool and all but it could still be absorbed by the blade since Tanjiro sword absorbed Nezuko blood demon art which is different from sunlight.

You mean that weird fire attack? Cool, that only helps if Jonathan uses Scarlet Overdrive on it, which he wouldn't, he'd use a phasing or metal hamon overdrive instead.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Jonathan scales to Goku via J-Stars Victory Vs, who in turn has Fortnite scaling, so nice try pal

Fortinite Scaling got debunked here.

 

[Chariot190]

Fortinite Scaling got debunked here.

I don't watch Youtube Power scaling so you're wrong.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I don't watch Youtube Power scaling so you're wrong.

Damn, you have a very good argument, i can't compete with.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Fortinite Scaling got debunked here.

The day fortnite scaling gets debunked is the day I am no longer on this earth. I will defend Fortnite as long as I live.

 

[Zabazab]

Hamon just did whatever Araki felt like doing in the monent it's so funny

 

[speedster352]

You already asked that. Hamon merely has a similar wavelength to UV rays.

Yeah, and Jonathan isn't a demon, ******* up even once, being caught off-guard, is lethal here.
Don't think Tanjiro is going to assume the human can rip apart his tendons and dislocate his bones just to extend his fist by 10cm.

Don't see why not, he could withstand Dio's evil aura which causes crippling fear to the point one might not even be able to move and nausea.

And yes, actually, Dio do be having that, for example



Even if he didn't literally do that or have the training to disregard his fear, he's confirmed to have a stronger will than Jotaro (He's a 5, Jotaro is a 4), who's iron manned through that type of shit.

You mean that weird fire attack? Cool, that only helps if Jonathan uses Scarlet Overdrive on it, which he wouldn't, he'd use a phasing or metal hamon overdrive instead.

Tanjiro can predict moves with his nose and has instinctive reaction so getting the jump on him won’t work. Also his sun breathing forms are fast and precise so there probably won’t be enough contact time for Hamon to work.

 

[Chariot190]

Tanjiro can predict moves with his nose

So? How does that stop Jonathan from discharging hamon across the grass in a burst or into him the moment he touches him.

The main issue isn't dodging Jonathan, it's hitting him when he can DBZ aura that shit and is even willing to take massive wounds just to land one hit.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan used a Hamon shroud (like a thin veil forcefield) to block or mitigate attacks, or, if he had to, let himself get cut just so he can disarm Tanjiro with his huge LS advantage

And yes, even before Hamon as a "normal" human, Jonathan let himself get cut to the bone just to land a hit before, grabbed a knife with his bare hand to land a hit, and even as his arms were smashed to dust he held onto Dio to attack him, and more. Jonathan also explicitly doesn't care if he loses body parts if it's for the greater good and will risk it in a fight to get an edge. Now that he can heal via Hamon and make it so he can't feel pain? We're talking about someone who if given even the slightest chance can, and will, manhandle and disarm Tanjiro and ohko on contact, a dude who will even let his arm get chopped off if it'd enable it.

and has instinctive reaction so getting the jump on him won’t work.

Instinctive reaction ain't perfect my dude. Especially against AOE, attacks that come from nowhere.

Also his sun breathing forms are fast and precise so there probably won’t be enough contact time for Hamon to work.

Not even a thing, if the Hamon so much as touches him it's too late. Not sure where you're getting "Hamon needs enough time to work" from, it's dependent solely on output.
Also you say that as if Jonathan can't amp his own speed either with Hamon.

 

[Deidalius]

I will be watching, I am betting on Jonathan the goat.

 

[speedster352]

So? How does that stop Jonathan from discharging hamon across the grass in a burst or into him the moment he touches him.

The main issue isn't dodging Jonathan, it's hitting him when he can DBZ aura that shit and is even willing to take massive wounds just to land one hit.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan used a Hamon shroud (like a thin veil forcefield) to block or mitigate attacks, or, if he had to, let himself get cut just so he can disarm Tanjiro with his huge LS advantage

And yes, even before Hamon as a "normal" human, Jonathan let himself get cut to the bone just to land a hit before, grabbed a knife with his bare hand to land a hit, and even as his arms were smashed to dust he held onto Dio to attack him, and more. Jonathan also explicitly doesn't care if he loses body parts if it's for the greater good and will risk it in a fight to get an edge. Now that he can heal via Hamon and make it so he can't feel pain? We're talking about someone who if given even the slightest chance can, and will, manhandle and disarm Tanjiro and ohko on contact, a dude who will even let his arm get chopped off if it'd enable it.

Instinctive reaction ain't perfect my dude. Especially against AOE, attacks that come from nowhere.

Not even a thing, if the Hamon so much as touches him it's too late. Not sure where you're getting "Hamon needs enough time to work" from, it's dependent solely on output.
Also you say that as if Jonathan can't amp his own speed either with Hamon.

Hamon is trouble some however tanjiro doesn’t need to decapitate Jonathan to win he just needs to slash or stab him in vital areas. It might end up as incon if hamon isn’t instant.

 

[LordGinSama]

The day fortnite scaling gets debunked is the day I am no longer on this earth. I will defend Fortnite as long as I live.

And you like anime. To the gulag you go, filthy heathen.

 

[Chariot190]

Hamon is trouble some however tanjiro doesn’t need to decapitate Jonathan to win he just needs to slash or stab him in vital areas. It might end up as incon if hamon isn’t instant.

Bro, Hamon can induce organ failure, can mind control, and so on. Jonathan has numerous ways to deliver this, from contact, to even just charging the ground full of it, straight up negging Tajiro if bro can't fly (Plants, such as grass, can conduct and hold Hamon, SBA is Central Park, don't think I need to elaborate)

Hamon is instant, if it touches him, it's in him, and as such far too late to do anything about it unless he chops his head off or something.

Additionally, yeah, if you slash him in a vital area, but don't forget Jonathan can make hamon veils (reduces damage of piercing attacks and stuff, like a thin forcefield), can use Hamon to repel blades and stuff (the most prominent example of this is in part 2 actually, it's why Joseph could catch a knife with his finger, or walking on spikes or fingerstand on a point), he can also heal with Hamon and has high stamina, even before he had training, he was cut to the bone and waked it off, he had his ribs and arms smashed, stabbed, and more and continued fighting, even his death involved having his major neck arteries pierced (this is instant death) yet unable to use Hamon, he still kept going for minutes and even whipped out one last charge of hamon.
And let's not forget, Jonathan does this to dudes who have higher AP than Tanjiro

 

[GunshyFever]

Voting Jonathan due to Hamon, I don't think Tanjiro has a way around it

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I'm going with Jonathan.

 

[Livinmeme]

Fornite Jonathan FRA

 

[Arkenis]

The fact he doesn't even have to move to discharge Hamon so seeing his body ain't gonna help much against that (SBA is central park, plenty of stuff that can retain Hamon, such as the grass they stand on), a pretty heavy inherent stat advantage that can be buffed further if he charges Hamon so TW buffing can be mitigated easily. The fact any careless contact with Jonathan is dangerous even if he perfectly reacts (as in, him landing hits on Jonathan is dangerous).

Jonathan also has wacky body control, something he can use to easily mix Tanjiro up (such as popping his joints and ligaments in inhumane ways to extend or **** with his reach to catch him off-guard, something Hamon heals upon doing so, completely altering his blood flow and heartbeat to mess with reading his intent, etc), which is to say cool, ya have x-ray vision, against someone who can and will be altering his physiology here and there in ways a human simply can't, he'll probably pick up on it quickly, but messing up even once is very bad here.

My thing is that with the transparent world Tanjiro will see all of this happening in slowed time, so even channeling hamon through other stuff won't matter when Tanjiro can see it moving through the ground or grass before it has moved close to him and dodge it. And Tanjiro won't make contact, he'll do it with the sword, in slowed time before John has any chance to channel hamon through the sword. The body control really doesnt matter any alteration made with be seen and also sensed.

All he needs is to enter stw and John's gonna be moving slow to the point Tanjiro can slice his head off.

 

[LordGinSama]

StW doesn't even effect time. It effects his perception of time, so while he might see Jonathan moving slower he actually isn't.

 

[noninho]

Jonathan FRA makes me VERY happy

 

[Chariot190]

My thing is that with the transparent world Tanjiro will see all of this happening in slowed time,

You mean a speed amp, against a character who's main gimmick beyond vaping undead is inhale better = better stat amping.

Not happening my dude. Especially given blitzing isn't allowed in speed equal if the other character is normally quicker than said amps, and well, MFTL..

so even channeling hamon through other stuff won't matter when Tanjiro can see it moving through the ground or grass before it has moved close to him and dodge it.

What? Grass can retain Hamon (Something Jonathan explicitly knows btw), it doesn't need to travel, Jonathan can just discharge Hamon all around him in a burst due to the environment through his feet. This goes for all organic matter btw, trees, grass, even animals can be used to carry a charge (an obvious example would be the pigeon trick or Dire yeeting a rose).

He can also make them hold the charge and only release it on contact, as in, unless Tanjiro can fly.... Well he has to touch the ground eventually. Same goes with liquid btw. The environment would need to be like rock or inorganic or something for this to not be an option, and that only prevents it from being retained, inorganic stuff like metal can still conduct it much like electricity (Which I feel shouldn't need to be said given Jonathan uses a sword he channels Hamon through).

And Tanjiro won't make contact, he'll do it with the sword,

Reminder swords EXPLICITLY conduct hamon, metal in general does. I know he'd make contact with the sword, you don't need to say something so obvious, the issue is that is probably worse than if he did it with his bare hands, because now bro has to drop his sword or get fried.

in slowed time before John has any chance to channel hamon through the sword.

Unless Jonathan is 1. Amped too aka no speed advantage. 2. Durable enough to tank it and disarm given like 100x stronger LS and hefty sta advantage. 3. Has a Hamon shroud up to repel the blade (Note, this only dampens damage, but given Jonathan's inherent stat boon, it's going to be some damn good mitigation). 4. Has a Hamon flare up aka Tanjiro would be doing the equivalent of shoving a fork in an outlet. 5. Jonathan does an overdrive at the same time, let himself get cut, and the hamon from his bloodflow shocks the shit out of the sword anyway in much the same way joseph or Sasha did.

The body control really doesnt matter any alteration made with be seen and also sensed.

Yeah, and that helps? He sees Jonathan just ripped apart his own ligaments. Now what? He isn't going to pick up "oh bro's bones just disconnected, ligaments torn and tendons split, that definitely enables him to increase his reach by 30cm and that's what he's going to do", no, Jonathan is a human, not a demon, he ain't gong to expect that type of stuff to happen, and even if he sees it happen, what's he seeing exactly? The bones and muscles are messed up? They aren't exactly moving in a natural way, it's why bro needs Hamon to negate the pain in the first place.

All he needs is to enter stw and John's gonna be moving slow to the point Tanjiro can slice his head off.

See the above, all STW gives him here, is x-ray vision and better perception I guess.

 

[That_moron2]

Especially given blitzing isn't allowed in speed equal if the other character is normally quicker than said amps

Since when?

 

[Arkenis]

You mean a speed amp, against a character who's main gimmick beyond vaping undead is inhale better = better stat amping.

Not happening my dude. Especially given blitzing isn't allowed in speed equal if the other character is normally quicker than said amps, and well, MFTL..

Sounds like an awfully flawed system for equal speed. Tanjiro has amps but they don't matter cuz John's real speed is greater but that isn't applicable until amps are involved?

What? Grass can retain Hamon (Something Jonathan explicitly knows btw), it doesn't need to travel, Jonathan can just discharge Hamon all around him in a burst due to the environment through his feet. This goes for all organic matter btw, trees, grass, even animals can be used to carry a charge (an obvious example would be the pigeon trick or Dire yeeting a rose).

He can also make them hold the charge and only release it on contact, as in, unless Tanjiro can fly.... Well he has to touch the ground eventually. Same goes with liquid btw. The environment would need to be like rock or inorganic or something for this to not be an option, and that only prevents it from being retained, inorganic stuff like metal can still conduct it much like electricity (Which I feel shouldn't need to be said given Jonathan uses a sword he channels Hamon through).

Oh I always remembered the Hamon having to travel from John to the object. So John can just spawn Hamon attacks on Tanjiro?

Yeah this just sounds like a stomp then.

 

[speedster352]

You mean a speed amp, against a character who's main gimmick beyond vaping undead is inhale better = better stat amping.

Not happening my dude. Especially given blitzing isn't allowed in speed equal if the other character is normally quicker than said amps, and well, MFTL..

What? Grass can retain Hamon (Something Jonathan explicitly knows btw), it doesn't need to travel, Jonathan can just discharge Hamon all around him in a burst due to the environment through his feet. This goes for all organic matter btw, trees, grass, even animals can be used to carry a charge (an obvious example would be the pigeon trick or Dire yeeting a rose).

He can also make them hold the charge and only release it on contact, as in, unless Tanjiro can fly.... Well he has to touch the ground eventually. Same goes with liquid btw. The environment would need to be like rock or inorganic or something for this to not be an option, and that only prevents it from being retained, inorganic stuff like metal can still conduct it much like electricity (Which I feel shouldn't need to be said given Jonathan uses a sword he channels Hamon through).

Reminder swords EXPLICITLY conduct hamon, metal in general does. I know he'd make contact with the sword, you don't need to say something so obvious, the issue is that is probably worse than if he did it with his bare hands, because now bro has to drop his sword or get fried.

Unless Jonathan is 1. Amped too aka no speed advantage. 2. Durable enough to tank it and disarm given like 100x stronger LS and hefty sta advantage. 3. Has a Hamon shroud up to repel the blade (Note, this only dampens damage, but given Jonathan's inherent stat boon, it's going to be some damn good mitigation). 4. Has a Hamon flare up aka Tanjiro would be doing the equivalent of shoving a fork in an outlet. 5. Jonathan does an overdrive at the same time, let himself get cut, and the hamon from his bloodflow shocks the shit out of the sword anyway in much the same way joseph or Sasha did.

Yeah, and that helps? He sees Jonathan just ripped apart his own ligaments. Now what? He isn't going to pick up "oh bro's bones just disconnected, ligaments torn and tendons split, that definitely enables him to increase his reach by 30cm and that's what he's going to do", no, Jonathan is a human, not a demon, he ain't gong to expect that type of stuff to happen, and even if he sees it happen, what's he seeing exactly? The bones and muscles are messed up? They aren't exactly moving in a natural way, it's why bro needs Hamon to negate the pain in the first place.

See the above, all STW gives him here, is x-ray vision and better perception I guess.

Tanjiro nose with alert him to that I mean Tanjiro fought aganst Muzun’s arm whips that are Freeform. Also this fight depends what battlefield this is. Also isn’t tanjiro sword handle inorganic so wouldn’t the hamon stop flowing. Can’t tanjiro just amp his speed and use the 13 form to finish off Johnathan before he dies or gets incapacitated? Also fake rainbow would catch Jonathan she he changes his attack direction.

 

[speedster352]

So? How does that stop Jonathan from discharging hamon across the grass in a burst or into him the moment he touches him.

The main issue isn't dodging Jonathan, it's hitting him when he can DBZ aura that shit and is even willing to take massive wounds just to land one hit.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jonathan used a Hamon shroud (like a thin veil forcefield) to block or mitigate attacks, or, if he had to, let himself get cut just so he can disarm Tanjiro with his huge LS advantage

And yes, even before Hamon as a "normal" human, Jonathan let himself get cut to the bone just to land a hit before, grabbed a knife with his bare hand to land a hit, and even as his arms were smashed to dust he held onto Dio to attack him, and more. Jonathan also explicitly doesn't care if he loses body parts if it's for the greater good and will risk it in a fight to get an edge. Now that he can heal via Hamon and make it so he can't feel pain? We're talking about someone who if given even the slightest chance can, and will, manhandle and disarm Tanjiro and ohko on contact, a dude who will even let his arm get chopped off if it'd enable it.

Instinctive reaction ain't perfect my dude. Especially against AOE, attacks that come from nowhere.

Not even a thing, if the Hamon so much as touches him it's too late. Not sure where you're getting "Hamon needs enough time to work" from, it's dependent solely on output.
Also you say that as if Jonathan can't amp his own speed either with Hamon.

Demon slayers resist biological manipulation so wouldn’t that help resist Hamon?

 

[Chariot190]

Since when?

Since idk 3 years ago? I forget when exactly but I'm sure you can find the CRT that went over the logic behind it.
Amps are ok, but if a character, who would normally be slower amps in speed, enables them to win against a character who is normally quicker than them with said amp outside of speed equal. We don't allow that shit, as that's the mf winning solely because it's speed equal even though said shit would be useless in any other case.
"Per default the following rules and assumptions will be taken if a match takes place in a speed equalized setting:

• Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
  
  • As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Sounds like an awfully flawed system for equal speed. Tanjiro has amps but they don't matter cuz John's real speed is greater but that isn't applicable until amps are involved?

Sounds like a good system? If blud is winning solely based on a speed amp, against a character who, in actuality, is 5,000,000,000x quicker than him with said amp, he didn't win shit, he won solely based on an arbitrary rule that exists just so he doesn't lose instantly. Speed equal exists to prevent the slower lads from getting obliterated before they can do anything, NOT to let them cheese an impossible win against someone who would blitz them.

Speed equal, equalizes combat speed, for Tanjiro's benefit, if he amps speed to win, it can not be added.

Oh I always remembered the Hamon having to travel from John to the object. So John can just spawn Hamon attacks on Tanjiro?

Yeah this just sounds like a stomp then.

Hamon does have to travel, obviously, but certain things can keep that Hamon instead of it dissipating as with rock or metal. Organic matter, would be one such thing. The Hamon does have to reach the grass, but once there, it can stay there. Which is a pretty damning move given Central Park, aka bro can just discharge Hamon all around him and just stays there until Tajiro touches it, unless he can fly, he's touching the ground sooner or later.