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  1. Bichosfera-O

    Bane vs The Beast (2 More Votes!)

    Why was this battle deleted from the characters' profiles?
  2. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

  3. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Hahaha god i hate 0 | Boundless: Characters who demonstrate an equivalence to, or can create/destroy/affect, transcendental abstract levels of existence which conceptually stand superior to even High 1-A levels. Being “omnipotent” or any similar reasoning is not nearly enough to reach this...
  4. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    I give up, the Marvel Universe is probably the most complete and complex verse...I can't think of anything bigger. The character that represents the writers and editors, which are obviously above and outside the verse itself is not Tier 0? The Writer (DC) represents the same concept (NOT THE...
  5. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Asking for sacrifice is not what a Tier 0 character would do. That's my point.
  6. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Again, Marvel writers stated TOAA is above and outside the Marvel Universe. Just like The Writer in DC...yes I know verses shouldn't be compared, but Marvel and DC are pretty comparable, you can't deny that.
  7. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    I like to use the Christian God as an example of true Tier 0 (NOT), the stone paradox proves it's not omnipotent.
  8. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Where are the scans that prove it's a 1-A character?
  9. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Isn't (by definition) Tier 0 if it's higher than 1-A, The Beyonders are considered one of the most powerful beings, they defeated LT and don't belong to the Marvel Multiverse, as they are considered Outerverse lvl entities...again, just an aspect of TOAA.
  10. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    How can we talk about cosmology if this character is the embodiment of the writers? Cosmology is just one aspect, this is not like the Christian God whom should be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent but shows mortal behavior in the Bible. This character is literally inside and outside the...
  11. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

  12. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    Wh Why is he Tier 1? When did this character show limitations? The Living Tribunal is 1-A. I found this, yes, it's from another wiki, but pretty much explains my point: (Is every writer, editor, reader and the supreme creator of Marvel itself. No matter how strong a character gets The One Above...
  13. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    It was listed as Tier 0, and then downgraded to Tier 1. Why? Marvel writers are saying TOAA represents them, isn't that enough? The character only appears as an "avatar", an influence...the entire Marvel Universe was erased by Thanos (with the Heart of the Universe), and even entities like The...
  14. Bichosfera-O

    The One Above All (Marvel Comics) BOUNDLESS tier correction

    TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. In...
  15. Bichosfera-O

    Kevin Wendell Crumb (The Beast) vs Mahiru Shinya Banba

    "She doesn't think she can beat The Beast, does she?" The spine-crusher takes this with ease.
  16. Bichosfera-O

    The Overseer of Philadelphia vs. The Champion of the Universe (FIN)

    The Unbreakable Man takes this.
  17. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    GojiBoyForever, I think the main objective of this Wikia is to find a universal way of measuring every possible character's capabilities. Comparing two 9-B characters is not that crazy. That's why we see the famous "speed was equalized" so often. If it was a Tier 9 against a Tier 6, now that...
  18. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    Qawsedf234, none of the F&F characters has ever lifted a car, Toretto just held the front part of a rear-engined car, which is actually pretty light. Even in WSM (World Strongest Man) competitions they do the same thing for at least 10 reps...but sure, holding it is more difficult...not even...
  19. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    I saw the movie, and that was just above strongman level of strength. I'm a petrolhead, the car is a Lykan, and the engine is on the back, the front is pretty light like most rear/mid engined sports cars. Sorry but than doesn't even compare to a car flip with 2 policemen inside.
  20. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    Engine weight: 500 lbs (227 kg), being a Class 5, that means he could lift 22 engines. He was struggling with just one. Really?
  21. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    On Dom Toretto's profile: "can break necks with force". On The Horde's profile: "casually crushed a human body; can crush spines with grip strength, which is superior to twisting necks). The first one is a Class 5 but the second one is a Class 1?
  22. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    I know, but in F&F you find the typical strong, tuff and badass action characters. None of them can lift a car, but they're considered 'Class 5'. On the other hand you have David and The Beast, which are a superhero and supervillain respectively, and are considered the strongest beings in their...
  23. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    They may not reach 9-A level, but they are stronger than The Fast and The Furious characters for sure. Toretto, Hobbs and Shaw are 'Class 5', but David and The Beast aren't? I don't see any character in F&F flipping a car, let alone lifting the weight of 4-5 cars. I still think that their...
  24. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    Anyone?
  25. Bichosfera-O

    The Overseer of Philadelphia vs. The Champion of the Universe (FIN)

    He got knocked out by the train/car accidents, probably by the sheer force of the impacts. However, there's no pain or injuries in his body. He felt little pain when The Beast bear-hugged him, but again, that did no damage.
  26. Bichosfera-O

    The Beast and David Dunn lifting strength and durability update.

    If Hobbs and Shaw from 'The Fast and The Furious' are "at least Class 5", then both The Beast and David Dunn should be it too. Lifting strength feats (class 5): David (near-invulnerabiity) feels pain for the first time when The Beast hugs him; The Beast threw David more than 30ft away; David...
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