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Ayo tier 0 Marvel?
Not for long...
Also using Presence as an Argument is awkward since he is planned to be viciously downgraded
It was listed as Tier 0, and then downgraded to Tier 1. Why? Marvel writers are saying TOAA represents them, isn't that enough? The character only appears as an "avatar", an influence...the entire Marvel Universe was erased by Thanos (with the Heart of the Universe), and even entities like The Living Tribunal couldn't do anything...he restored the Universe, by just influencing Thanos.
Representing something doesn’t scale you anywhere… and certainly not to the point where it warrants tier 0.
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Why is he Tier 1? When did this character show limitations? The Living Tribunal is 1-A. I found this, yes, it's from another wiki, but pretty much explains my point: (Is every writer, editor, reader and the supreme creator of Marvel itself. No matter how strong a character gets The One Above All will be forever above Marvel, including every and any story, books, Narratives, character and location that has shown to be beyond all dimensional space and vastly beyond those that transcend dimensionality as he is the creator of Marvel Itself).
No, that is not enough to qualify. TOAA used to be Tier 0 because the standards to achieve Tier 0 were different back then. As of now, if there is no evidence for TOAA transcending something High 1-A fo the same degree that a High 1-A transcends a 1-A, he cannot be Tier 0.
That sound NLFish
he's still limited, we can't just give Tier 0 because he's superior to a 1-A cosmology
Is talking about religious stuff like that even allowed?
None of that makes him higher than 1-A. Also you need to provide scans and sources to even have a hope of getting this accepted.
Isn't (by definition) Tier 0 if it's higher than 1-A, The Beyonders are considered one of the most powerful beings, they defeated LT and don't belong to the Marvel Multiverse, as they are considered Outerverse lvl entities...again, just an aspect of TOAA.
Where are the scans that prove it's a 1-A character?
Why would it make him higher than 1-A?
I like to use the Christian God as an example of true Tier 0 (NOT), the stone paradox proves it's not omnipotent.
right now, it's through scaling above other 1A characters.
That's not really true, seeing as an omnipotent being would have transduality, which God does. As such, the rock paradox falls apart pretty quickly
Again, Marvel writers stated TOAA is above and outside the Marvel Universe. Just like The Writer in DC...yes I know verses shouldn't be compared, but Marvel and DC are pretty comparable, you can't deny that.
Baseline (I think) 1-A being just "an aspect" of him won't get him to High 1-A, let alone Tier 0
Pretty sure being superior to a 1A character isn't nearly enough for Tier 0. We literally have a High 1A tier for that, and even 1A+, which is being infinite layers above baseline 1A. So, it just seems like a misunderstanding of the tiering system tbh.
Asking for sacrifice is not what a Tier 0 character would do. That's my point.
Pretty sure a thread to downgrade DC to 1-C is being made, so not the best example
They didn't say that in the comic (even if they did, we'd just have to ignore it cause it's a blatant contradiction to regular common sense). An author statement like this with no proper evidence from the comic should just be discarded
There's a bunch of context behind that. It's not that God requires a sacrifice, just that "he" prefers one.
wanting something =/= needing something, also, why is Bible in a Marvel CRT?
The ones literally on his profile…? Also you need scans to prove he’s Tier 0, you just saying he should be is not enough.
I give up, the Marvel Universe is probably the most complete and complex verse...I can't think of anything bigger. The character that represents the writers and editors, which are obviously above and outside the verse itself is not Tier 0? The Writer (DC) represents the same concept (NOT THE PRESENCE), in a pretty comparable verse (an equal rival you may say) and it's considered boundless...why TOAA isn't? The guy literally has the face of Jack Kirby? (If not mistaken), there's no proof this guy has limits. ABOVE ALL OTHERS is a 1-A character, a "detuned" version of the original TOAA.
