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  1. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    surprisingly Infinite has no NPI whatsoever, at best his clones might
  2. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    There’s also 3 power cores, which multiply by another x8 (although admittedly base 2005 Shadow scaling because a promotional ad called him “stronger than before” is kinda weird)
  3. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Prolly also chaos energy.
  4. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Yeah, what I was thinking was that something with the power of a super form, that also weaponized positive emotion, could potentially counter the egg field.
  5. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Is it headcanon if Sonic directly says that the energy of Otherworld is just a sham and collection of energy, “nothing like the feelings received from everyone, whose essence remained the same even in an alternate world” Like it seems like the feelings and essence are what’s compared to...
  6. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    I guess the confusing thing is that Sonic brings up the power of positive feelings after he’s already transformed into super sonic and just got done saying how dangerous the PC clones are. Which makes people think that the feelings themselves are what protected super sonic, as opposed to them...
  7. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    If it did happen it will prolly just be trying to remove super Sonic’s power null and replacing it with a light man weakness.
  8. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    So the chaos emeralds did contain the positive feelings from others, and that’s what pushed Sonic into allowing him protection. In a sense isn’t that kinda just, positive feelings winning out?
  9. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    So the accepted explanation is Sonic’s heart speech is purely symbolic? Because it does seem like the feelings received from others were fairly important, at least to him.
  10. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Yeah, but the Emeralds weren’t really activated when Blaze was trying to stop the Egg Field. They were just in her pocket.
  11. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    IDW’s contributions to the cosmology mean it’s really good for super forms still, ehhhh for base forms.
  12. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    They are equivalent to the chaos emeralds but, Blaze also wasn’t burning Blaze at the time, I feel like if she was then it wouldn’t have worked on her either. The Emeralds also weren’t exactly, activated fully per se. Agreed, considering what happened with Mario. Just not sure how to reconcile it.
  13. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Regarding Egg Field and Lightman. Obviously the idea that just positive emotional energy by itself canceling it out doesn’t work but. Is it fair to say that a similar type of energy (nondual, dream, emotional energy fusion, or extremely vast quantities of positive emotional energy) of a similar...
  14. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Yeah cuz they’re scaling to super forms, who scale off 1/2 of 12x uni, which is still 12x uni.
  15. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Pretty much the Eggmen knew about alternate worlds and that Nine’s tech could access them before making that quote, but had no knowledge of if those worlds existed in the same universe or different universes so their quote is likely referring to the current realm.
  16. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Each shatterspace already has a unique flow of time, the main concern for me was each of them potentially not being universe sized.
  17. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Cyberspace as in the gun federation and eggnet
  18. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Sorry for bothering you so much, then. I admit that you have to make a lot of concessions (like saying each space is only MSS size, that the Eggmen were talking about all the alternate areas in their dream of universal conquest because they just heard about the existence of alternate locations...
  19. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    It can, it’s just the premise is based on the existence of the multiverse within Prime, when none of the worlds in Prime show anything galaxy or higher.
  20. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Frankly your replies are just really long and answering them in the way you write them takes up a lot of space, so I tried doing it this way. My point was, the council not knowing they’re in a splintered universe also coincides with how the council has seemingly never left the confines of a...
  21. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Saying they didn’t know about alternate realities until capturing Nine is just blatantly untrue, given they saw Rusty’s recording about Sonic traveling to another reality. And all the council knows is that there are alternate worlds, not that they’re temporally separated (since Rusty didn’t...
  22. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Well, they did kind of just discover that alternate worlds accessible via portals is a thing, and since they were occupied with a single planet the whole time, it would make sense for them to group their world in with other worlds and collectively call it a universe.
  23. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    AFAIK the main celestial body evidence is that Grim has a starry sky (which is like MSS), and that each space has its own time flow, but I heard that a space needs to be both universe size and a separate time flow to qualify as uni+. If the “new multiverse” angle is meant to prove each space is...
  24. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    So, looking at the 2-C Sonic universe evidence. The reason for the Shatterverse containing 6 universes is because one of the chaos council says that the shard would let them control the universe, supposedly before learning there were other universes, and there are 6 worlds in the Shatterverse...
  25. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Yeah, I guess if willpower is like a mental or spiritual thing, he already resists mental with his goggles and chaos emeralds protect against the soul being manipulated.
  26. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Can he resist willpower being set to 0?
  27. JJSliderman

    Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

    Seen this debate on Discord after the DB so Eggman vs Giorno, Eggman gets the Eggmobile and all its variants. Giorno can reset willpower to 0 along with actions, rendering you unwilling to attack in addition to stopping your attack, so might be debatable even with the Egg Reverie resistance.
  28. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Personally I agree that Perfect Chaos is 1-C yeah
  29. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    What we have now is already a scaling nightmare.
  30. JJSliderman

    Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

    Dunno why he would.
  31. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Either that or Eggman just making super illusions involving characters from history.
  32. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Please do, so much easier.
  33. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    So is Black Doom just the strongest villain prior to The End
  34. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Will just be classed as outliers I guess. Sonic on his way to have as many “consistent outliers” as Spider-Man.
  35. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    If we’re being technical, Time Eater is also scaling to 6-D off the emotional empowerment thing, otherwise he’s 5-D with 6-D Smurf hax.
  36. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Nah, I’m just saying why PC would scale to these Otherworld copies.
  37. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Yeah, Sonic says these PCs are “weaker”, so that’s reason enough to scale them.
  38. JJSliderman

    Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

    Agree with the PC upgrade, give me time and I’ll find a way to use this for 1-C Base.
  39. JJSliderman

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    He doesn’t use the platform at first, that’s the phase Mario can overcome the rod without the star beam, then he uses the platform to amp himself so Mario needs Peach Beam to overcome the star rod.
  40. JJSliderman

    WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revision/Upgrade! (M&L Brothership Spoilers)

    Doesn’t he have to use the power platform to get to that level (which is an amp)
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