Perfect Chaos upgrade: "Perfection is only found surrounded in Chaos"

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I disagree. The only real valid point is the Sonic Channel statement of using the "full power" of the emeralds, which is valid, except...

• This is talking about Sonic, not Chaos. If taken at face value Chaos is NOT using the full power of the emeralds, just Sonic.
• Feats>Statements. Chaos has no real feats scaling him to people like Solaris. He has other anti-feats, too. Actual events from the games take precedence over secondary material, meaning dismissing the Generations fight for this is a no go.

The other valid point is Otherworld Chaos, mainly that he could've killed Base Sonic. However in your very post you post proof of why he isn't the same as actual Adventure Chaos, meaning we can't really scale him to this. Plus Sonic could still be killed by a full power attack from Chaos if he doesn't block, he died to Mephiles, after-all. You don't need to be super form tier to kill Base Sonic.

Second point doesn't matter if Super Sonic wasn't at full power, since it's talking about the moment only.

Third and fourth don't really matter, too. Metal Overlord is going to be downgraded because he doesn't have proof that he fought Full Power Super Sonic, either. Lightman the same. Emotional empowerement is too vague to say if an enemy is full power Super Sonic tier or not, it's better to rate them by their feats.

I agree with @Theuser789, pretty much. Especially due to the scaling nightmare this would bring about.

 

[JJSliderman]

What we have now is already a scaling nightmare.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

What we have now is already a scaling nightmare.

Ya super sonic would make much more sense if we just scaled him linearly-

 

[Omegabronic]

Ya super sonic would make much more sense if we just scaled him linearly-

Ok, enough, WHAT PART OF DON'T DERAIL Y'ALL DON'T GET?

 

[JJSliderman]

Personally I agree that Perfect Chaos is 1-C yeah

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I agree with @Theuser789, pretty much. Especially due to the scaling nightmare this would bring about.

Have you read Omega's rebuttals to those points? They were enough to convince me even though I didn't initially agree

Ya super sonic would make much more sense if we just scaled him linearly-

That's not how he works though. We can't just will that into existance just because it would be simpler and more convineant. The emotional empowerment mechanic remains consistant to this day.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That's not how he works though. We can't just will that into existance just because it would be simpler and more convineant. The emotional empowerment mechanic remains consistant to this day.

I know this is off topic so I'll keep it brief, I've been thinking about it and I really doubt that mechanic as you and Omega are interpretating it would hold up to scrutiny.


Edit: I will say it in Reply to the person speaking to me.

 

[Omegabronic]

I know this is off topic so I'll keep it brief, I've been thinking about it and I really doubt that mechanic as you and Omega are interpretating it would hold up to scrutiny.

..........say it. in. the. general. discussion. thread

i have no interest in revising the Emeralds' main mechanic here........seriously

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

What's the agree to disagree ratio at rn?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

What's the agree to disagree ratio at rn?

I think it's like 3 to 3 or4 to 4 fairly close I think but the only mod to show up is also against.

 

[Robo432343]

I think it's like 3 to 3 or4 to 4 fairly close I think but the only mod to show up is also against.

huh wdym 3 or 4??

this is the agree to disagree ratio coz only staff votes matter

Agree:

Disagree: @Maverick_Zero_X

 

[Darkmon_cns]

huh wdym 3 or 4??

this is the agree to disagree ratio coz only staff votes matter

Agree:

Disagree: @Maverick_Zero_X

They were asking for people in general so I said it was like 3 to 3, or 4 to 4, yes only 1 staff member but that wasn't the question I was answering

 

[Remus1998]

I really hate this.... but I agree

 

[Omegabronic]

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