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She is the one who created the ETSB, It is stated here that Kaguya is the one who produced the orb itself, and seeing as she did this with her own chakra this would scale to her. The whole she absorbed the chakra of the shinobi alliance thing is already debunked by the fact that even the shinobi...
That is a likely possibility, so you could assume that his ap does not scale to shukaku's, but gamabunta was capable of tanking a few attacks from shukaku's air blasts however was one shotted by shinra tensei. and Kakashi proceeded to tank 2 of these shinra tensei's as well.
Shukaku's wind...
I've never heard of elemental intangibility before, nor do I really understand what that means. The intangibility that is referenced on the tailed beasts pages is when the tailed beasts are specifically shown in their pure energy states. "Although the Bijuu transform into physical matter and...
Both gaara and naruto are able to interact with shukaku, and shukaku also interacts with the environment, so he is not intangible, and the tailed beasts composition is solely chakra so he wouldn't be made out of sand either.
Yeah regardless of what they end up placing the biju and gamabunta at, kakashi's durability should still scale above gamabunta so unless Kakashi has some big durability anti feats this should be the scaling for pain arc kakashi and above.
Unless otherwise shown we wouldn't assume he is holding back. pain even states that Kakashi is not someone who he would want to keep alive as he could cause difficulty for him later, so he especially has no reason to hold back against him.
Kakashi is also directly able to tank 2 shinra tensei attacks at point blank range, the same attack that broke every bone in gamabunta's body.
Durability feat 1- here - here
Durability feat 2- here - here
Gamabunta getting bodied- here
I think this should constitute an upgrade for kakashi...
The wave would not just randomly decelerate, it should maintain a constant speed until it comes into contact with another force or object that slows it down. The wave however would not be light speed as gravitational waves are only light speed within a vacuum, but the wave in Naruto would be...
I assumed that, that would be the case after the biju's 6C rating was brought into question. As long as the characters scaling is updated I'm fine with waiting on the calc teams to finish.
I'm now going to respond to the supposed "debunks" of these characters scaling to the biju.
I've already shown why sakura's AP does not scale to sasori, so unless you actually have an argument as to why she does, you cannot claim she does.
Now for starters, the entire akatsuki is not being...
Sakura being biju level in the war arc is fine, as she scales above Tsunade, both characters have no anti feats, MS sasuke should also scale to the biju and he also has no anti feats, kcm 2 naruto is literally a perfect jinchuriki of the 9 tails so he should also obviously be biju level. The...
Obviously there will be other characters affected by the upgrade, You are not discussing those characters though, what you are discussing is whether the biju are 6C, instead of doing that why don't you actually try and bring up contradictions and anti-feats because so far you've fallen flat and...
The characters that are being scaled to the biju are listed at the top of the thread once again this discussion of whether the biju are truly 6C is irrelevant to the characters scaling and to this thread.
Okay this discussion is completely irrelevant to whether the characters scale to the biju, we can make another thread that details whether the biju are actually 6C later, This thread is specifically for the purpose of scaling the characters that are listed at the top of the thread to the biju...
Where are you getting 6-B full kurama and KCM 2 Naruto in his biju mode state literally oneshot all of the biju, so none of the biju scale to the 9 tails, the 9 tails should be the most significant part of the 10 tails so it would make sense that he would scale to it. The 9 tails omce again has...
^^^Yes. This is supported by the fact that the 8 tails directly states he is using his full power, so this would be a logical conclusion as to why the blast appeared smaller.
Once again this argument in relation to the characters being surprised at the DC of the biju has been refuted, as DC does not equal AP and being surprised at the DC of an attack does not contradict your AP being on that level because the characters could simply be impressed by the AoE and saying...
Yeah that's because Tsunade doesn't have the destructive capacity to slice a mountain in half, and you can still be surprised by things that are weaker than you. If a rat fell on my head from the ceiling, I'd be surprised as hell.
Unless you can actually bring up contradictions it doesn't matter. This would just mean that the old scaling is wrong and that was the entire purpose of this thread as the wiki has been inconsistent for a long time now. I basically included everyone that would scale to the akatsuki on this list...
...x 51 (height of one of the mountains) = 874.730524 (Height)
17.1515789 x 104 (radius of that same mountain) = 1783.76421m (Radius)
Volume = (Pi)*(Radius^2)*(Height/3)
(Pi)*(1783.76421^2)*(874.730524/3) = 2.91459215e9 cubic metres or 2.91459215e+15 cubic centimetres. This is the volume of a...
Also damage, I not only showed the raikage directly hurting the 8 tails, I also showed deidera one tapping the 3 tails, and then I showed how garaa scales above deidera's C3 and to Rasa who can subdue shukaku. After that I displayed how the 3rd kazekage was stated to be stronger than both gaara...
I agree with tenpin, there is nothing to suggest that the 8 tails didn't have enough time to make a fully charge biju bomb, and you are using an AoE fallacy, like not every ki blast in dragonball destroys the planet they're on but we know regular ki blasts can do that, so it's just an...
Okay now we've basically gotten to the point where the people arguing against this upgrade are contradicting the wiki's justification for the biju's durability being large island level. So at this point we've basically proven that these characters do scale to the biju's durability and it has now...
Ah then yes, I was under the impression she defeated it, regardless we still have her scaling physically in power above the raikage so she still would be biju level.
No she did beat that susanoo clone, there was just multiple of them hence why onoki is surrounded by them, those were different clones than the one Tsunade fought.
because sakura's durability would not be 6C so it would not be a 6C feat to pierce her, his iron sand also pierces sakura. This was just to prove that sakura in no way scales to sasori, as she is unable to affect his iron sand's durability and is also damaged by both his puppet's sword and his...
I'm going to quote myself form earlier. "Sasori doesn't have 6C durability" but his ap would scale above both rasa and gaara via his 3rd kazekage puppet.
She doesn't have chakra enhanced durability to the extent of her ap as the databook explicity states that she concentrates her chakra into her fists. and she is never shown to use this technique with her durability or even shown the capability to apply it to her durability.
I'm not saying Sakura has hit gaara's sand I'm saying when gaara and rasa's sand is hit by something else it splatters and moves, and yes his iron sand can crack if it has a high enough concentration of iron, and I believe it is entirely made of iron, or it could also be reminiscent of gaara's...