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  1. Alonis3612

    Odin Upgrade to Universal Level, possibly Multiverse level

    Both Dormammu's and Umar's powers increased to such an extent that what once seemed impossible for them, they are now are able to accomplish. Now, Dormammu added his sister's power to his own. Seems like an "astronomical boost" to me.
  2. Alonis3612

    Odin Upgrade to Universal Level, possibly Multiverse level

    You all forgot about Thanos. Old Thanos ~ Odin. Current Thanos >>> Odin. By the way, Mephisto and Satannish by themselves have universal feats.
  3. Alonis3612

    Odin Upgrade to Universal Level, possibly Multiverse level

    Dormammu and Umar were amped by the shift in Cosmic Axis. That's why they were able to defeat Multi-Eternity. Dormammu by himself was always inferior to Eternity, let alone Multi-Eternity.
  4. Alonis3612

    Odin Upgrade to Universal Level, possibly Multiverse level

    Well if I am not mistaken Oblivion allowed Iceman to defeat him, Black Panther was using some Panther God IDK but that was PIS, Logos only destroyed the M-Body of Tribunal (but in that story there are a lot of inconstistencies with cosmology), Cyclops harming Dormammu is PIS agreed, but Dormammu...
  5. Alonis3612

    Odin Upgrade to Universal Level, possibly Multiverse level

    Ego defeated Odin and Galactus. Upgrade?
  6. Alonis3612

    I Heard That Michael Demiurgos Can Destroy All Creation 10 Times Over

    I know that scan. I just wanted to know if the scan I mentioned exists.
  7. Alonis3612

    I Heard That Michael Demiurgos Can Destroy All Creation 10 Times Over

    Bump.
  8. Alonis3612

    I Heard That Michael Demiurgos Can Destroy All Creation 10 Times Over

    Is that true? Does somebody have a scan?
  9. Alonis3612

    Is the Overvoid 1-A by descriptions?

    I meant where was it described as transcending time and space or was it even? Without comparing to another characters.
  10. Alonis3612

    Is the Overvoid 1-A by descriptions?

    Bump.
  11. Alonis3612

    Is the Overvoid 1-A by descriptions?

    Does Overvoid transcend the concepts of time and space completely or is it just undimensioned void which erases most beings who get into it?
  12. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    Really, I don't want any trouble, that was just a question for me, not a revision request or something like that. Don't get it the wrong way.
  13. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    "Believed" That's really funny because the reason he thought that is that i "overused" the terms megaverse and omniverse, yet I defined those terms many times here I don't understand what is wrong in that.
  14. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    Well can you show me that THEY trancends dimensional scale, not that the VOID itself is beyond dimensions (lets assume that).
  15. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    You have to be trolling at this point. Nyalo's avatar took a being from dimensional space and brought them outside it, where the Outer gods live. How am you trolling? You clearly just don't understand the difference I am trying to tell. Brought a being from dimensional space to a place with no...
  16. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    I am not trying to downgrade them to 1-C, well, I don't know. I just was not sure if the most powerful of Chthulhu Mythos are even 1-A or below it. Yet according to the descriptions I have yet seen I don't see them as beyond dimensional beings.
  17. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    How is that? If I understand correctly, no dimensions < 1 dimension < 2 dimensions < infinite dimensions < beyond dimensional scale.
  18. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    Dimensionless void <<<<<<< Transdimensional void. Actually a lot of spatially bound characters were able to survive in a dimensionless place.
  19. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    Having no dimensions at all and transcending them are 2 totally different things.
  20. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    I see only that there are no dimensions in that void, this is not 1-A.
  21. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    I saw that but at least a lot of that info just says about non-dimensionality, not transcendence over the concept of dimensions. Unless someone can explain more specificly.
  22. Alonis3612

    Azathoth and Outer Gods Tier

    What exactly proves them being 1-A or higher?
  23. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    I am not fixing things up. They became the embodiments of megaverses like that: Handbook clearly confirmed that it was LT who made Brothers and they became embodiments of megaverses. Living Tribunal in that crossover had likely a much weaker M-Body.
  24. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    That was before they became the embodiments of Marvel and DC. They became the embodiments of new realities when old multiverse was destroyed.
  25. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    Yet he made the Brothers who became embodiments of Marvel and DC...
  26. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    Living Tribunal was described as something which bonds all abstracts together. If we consider that he was the sum of abstracts entities in later appearences, this might well be a reference to it. Anyway I got proof from official source that Living Tribunal even in 60's and 70's was operating on...
  27. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    What proves he was not as powerful back then? I don't think it's actually enough to call it straight up retcon. Unless there are direct words from a writer..
  28. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal, Molecule Man, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

    I don't understand.. Living Tribunal is supposed to be second only to TOAA, yet he was considered far less powerful than either MM or Beyonder back during Secret Wars... I want to think there was a retcon which made LT more powerful yet I can't find a definite rason for that.. Anyone can help...
  29. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal And "Higher Forces"

    The artifact itself had been created by unknown higher-dimensional entities above even the Living Tribunal. This is from Marvel Database. And I am sure I saw that scan myself but now could not find it.
  30. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal And "Higher Forces"

    OMG I was talking about the scan from Infinity Relevation about higher forces. This scan. Do you have it?
  31. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal And "Higher Forces"

    Do you have the scan? I need the scan.
  32. Alonis3612

    Living Tribunal And "Higher Forces"

    can be over-ruled by undefined higher forces (mentioned in the "Infinity Revelation") I remember that I saw scan with that before but now when I was looking for it I couldn't find it. Can somebody please show that scan to me?
  33. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    With Thor that was not an outlier since Mjolnir can perform such feats, and Bannerless Hulk is time-to-time PIS machine. Also, Post-Annihilation upgrade SS while drained and barely walking, was able to match Thanos' energies.
  34. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    Earth-bound (depowered or not?) Silver Surfer claimed that his power cosmic could destroy a galaxy. Upgrade?
  35. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    All that I wrote here appears to be invisible..
  36. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    Thanos wasn't tired. He left his body and became new Eternity. Plot or he was toying with him. Thanos easily imprisoned Death who is on par with Eternity.
  37. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    Eternity was easily defeated. And again by Warlock. Plus 5 Cosmic Cubes were >> Eternity, and IG was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 Cosmic Cubes.
  38. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    Did you read what happened to Counter-earth? High Evolutionary gave it to the Beyonders for the "museum" of different planets, in the Negative Zone. Later it was destroyed by the actuality ripples caused when Thanos was toying with IG.
  39. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    The multiverse at the time was supposed to be the collection of different "multiverses" including higher dimensions.
  40. Alonis3612

    Why the IG is not higher than 2-A?

    That was plane from which the Beyonders were observing our universe (idk). The Counter-Earth and the Beyond Realm were both in the area outside of teh multiverse, in teh negative Zone.
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