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  1. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    But he also refers to Ayem and Sil as ruling kings. And here it can also apply to the Hortator.
  2. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Really? Which part?
  3. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "Sermon 11 of Vivec" Yeah, I'd like it to be more concrete than that. Cus people have different interpretations of the sermons. This guy doesn't seem to think it has much to do with chim at all: https://www.newwhirlingschool.com/lessons/11.php
  4. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    I meant how it happened. Mortals think Boeithiah literally excreted Malacath. Malacath tells us it wasn't a literal event.
  5. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    ""You did. You literally said you ignore KINMUNE because it has nonsesical or invented words that MK only wrote to look cool. Although KINMUNE is a semi-troll text to I can see why partly ignore it" I think I said this in the context of it being a poor text to scale from for battleboards...
  6. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    The lore writers of ESO using parts of his work is not the same thing as him being canon in general to me. Though I said months ago that C0DA has legitimacy now (even if I still haven't read it).
  7. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    We have different standards for what is canon. It would take an edict from Bethesda for me to consider everything MK says as canon (though when just discussing lore I avoid talking about canon these days). So far we only have Pete Hine's saying "it depends" when asked if OOG texts are canon.
  8. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    In the time of Arena and when fans were writing parts of the lore I'd say this statement would definitely be true. But now that TES is a huge franchise I can't see the open-ended nature of its lore ever returning. Zenimax owns TES, not the fans. And I think I like that.
  9. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    That's a good point and one I worry about from time to time. It's why I try not to take part in topics that are actually important; a few weeks ago I gave an opinion on some political issue and almost instantly regretted it, I felt awful for ages afterwards worried about biases and a lack of...
  10. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    I don't typically. Most of my interest in the lore of TES is reserved to simple topics. I was a fan of the games long before I was a fan of the lore and I'd imagine I'll be a fan of the games long after I lose interest in the lore. And I wouldn't say anything I've talked about here is...
  11. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    I've not made a secret of this. Though my opinion on Vivec has changed a little. Edit: Actually I think my interest in the Daedra as declined also. I blame ESO's dialogue and voice acting. We all have our biases. They are beyond my control.
  12. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    The text doesn't say this. It only says this: Vivec stuffs Muatra into Azura's mouth. Azura chokes!
  13. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Well, isn't this sort of stuff what this thread is for? :D
  14. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "No they don't. The description is done in a way to confound and divert your attention. If you are easily swayed you will fall into a shallow interpretation and miss the deeper meaning. It is how we got "Lol Muatra is Vivec's penis" in the first place. People choosing not to look any further...
  15. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "You clearly still think it's just a metaphor for his dick with no further meaning" Oh no. I'm sure it is supposed to have further meaning, it's just that I'm not interested in it. And in the context of the Trial, some meanings come across as more pronounced than others. "When I read about...
  16. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "Stop thinking it's a dick joke." I didn't say it was, it's not funny. But even you can't deny the connection to genitalia. And him shoving it down Azura's throat isn't hard to decipher. Here's what I've been using for sermon 14: https://www.newwhirlingschool.com/lessons/14.php
  17. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "No it doesn't represent his penis, I'm frankly shocked you came to such a conclusion." What do you think it represents? The spear has always been allegorically linked to Vivec's genitalia amongst the lore community. It's not a new idea of mine, I've never attempted to make my own...
  18. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Well, that's what it represents... The implications are pretty clear. "He does that a lot. He says either cryptic or nonsensical stuff to confuse and divert the fans." So we should ignore everything he says? All of his answers in that AMA were clear and frank.
  19. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Well she is kinda raped in the Trial and this is MK's response to that: "Azura deserved what she got at the Trial. Faker." https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1pv78e/ask_michael_kirkbride_anything_the_aftermath/
  20. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Are you talking about this comment: "Oh I see. That is because she has been placed firmly into Mundus in all her glory. This is done via the use of protonymics and neonymics. It's quite crippling to a Daedroth and is even maddening. It wasn't a different characterization, more so a display of...
  21. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    She has been summoned yes, but the exchange you quoted to suggest Azura is there in full only occurs after she has been bound. Something that distresses Azura which is why Vivec mockingly asks her how she feels about it.
  22. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Yeah, but he says that after binding her to that place with her neonnymic.
  23. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "Pretty sure a main plot-point was that the barriers that protected Nirn from Oblivion was weakening, until it finally disappeared in the end of the game. I don't exactly see a reason for this to only be an Avatar" I'm not saying it was an avatar. Just that there is doubt as Mundus does seem to...
  24. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    "To have gained power that could rival the true might of a Daedric prince from a portion of Lorkhan's divine spark is very strange to me" Lorkhan's Heart is the majority of his divinity. It's not just a small portion. According to TES Legends, it's literally an infinite source of power.
  25. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

  26. Shazam121

    The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One

    Any ETA on the thread to decide stats for the profiles?
  27. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Is that Alduin part directed at me? Cus I was talking about Dagon. Also, should this thread be closed? It has been completely derailed.
  28. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    From what I remember it was never made clear what Dagon planned on doing with Nirn (to be fair plans aren't his strong suit). But why is merging Nirn with his own plane a High 2-A feat?
  29. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    He's saying he would have trouble replicating the player's feat. He's not saying that it would be impossible. That statement does imply that Fyr thinks he could put up a decent fight. With defeat not being a foregone conclusion. I'm not saying I agree with him though. He's likely just being...
  30. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Thanks Self Love. This is what I was remembering: "Defeating a Daedric Prince in his own realm? That's a feat that even I would have trouble repeating. Only a great fool would pass up the opportunity to employ a Prince-slayer." So he does seem to think that he is comparable to a Prince.
  31. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Yeah, from ESO I think. I must confess that I haven't actually played ESO, I've tried to get into a few times, but MMOs just aren't my thing. So I get my ESO lore info either from a friend or from the spacebattles thread. I distinctly remember someone telling me that Fyr said that and I'm...
  32. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Some people think the et'Ada can't achieve CHIM as they are by their nature limitless and one needs limits to truly grasp CHIM. But that's not an immutable fact by any means; remember Lorkhan was the first to realize the nature of existence in the myths, why he 'failed' is unknown. We should...
  33. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    You haven't said how? Source for it?
  34. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Yeah, that's a popular theory. But I don't think it's anything more than a fan theory, or has it been referenced somewhere?
  35. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Eh? You've confused me. You said Vehk didn't have CHIM at the time of Morrowind, but ESO takes place before Morrowind and in ESO he (probably) had it according to Fa-Nuit-Hen. Do you think he lost it in that time?
  36. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Fa-Nuit-Hen implies Vivec had CHIM around the time of ESO. Though it certainly isn't a sure thing as he is quite ambiguous. "Lord Fa-Nuit-Hen says, "The Unmixed Conflict Path? Now that is a great secret indeed, a mystery your Lord Vehk unraveled only after prolonged hallucination upon...
  37. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    I'm assuming you are asking why I think that. Well, as I said, that idea is just a niggling thought at the moment and it's not even an original one. It comes from someone else. It's not as if I've given it any great thought as of yet and I don't currently plan on bringing it up again so it...
  38. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    My thoughts on the matter are not very popular and I'm sort of the mind that TES is incompatible with the tiering system in place on this site. As far as its god tier is concerned anyway. But regardless of my personal feelings on the subject, perhaps it would be best to wait until at least the...
  39. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    "All I know is that the fallacy where we can't use anything that's not directly stated in the game non-metaphorically is sort-of just that, a fallacy. Rejecting Kirkbride and similar authors due to things like C0DA is rather arbitrary." Why? This seems very simple to me. TES is owned by the...
  40. Shazam121

    Hero of Kvatch hax addition

    Though, according to my friend, the new Summerset expansion has some impressive feats so that might be interesting. He can't share until the NDA drop though.
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