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...it's beyond human comprehension, which is actually what's stated in "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". If it were the case that they transcended *all* logic, you couldn't rationally argue Yog to "encompass" the Outer Void, nor could you argue Azzy to be beyond Yog in any sense, nor could you...
@Aogiri
Even the Outer Gods don't transcend logic and cardinality. They have definable features. Even beings like Yog and Azzy are governed under some form of logical consequences, even if they're outside our capability to comprehend.
I'd argue that it is conceptual manip since they can change the fundamental core nature of the multiverse itself, but that's just my own perspective.
And what book is this stuff about Phase Space in? I own all three books of the trilogy and could probably give a background to those feats, if...
@Jobbo
It wasn't going to happen over some long period of time. In the official manga it is stated several times that Super Buu's Vice Shout is going to destroy the entire universe by crushing it with alternate realities, something that seems to be occurring pretty rapidly when Vegetto goes to...
I agree with Sera.
That statement in context only refers to him being able to destroy galaxies, but it doesn't mean he can destroy them instantly. He's shown destroying a single galaxy over time. So 4-A or, at a stretch, At least 4-A is the only appropriate rating. Feats are taken over...
I obviously agree that the Downstreamers should be solidly 1-A for utterly transcending the entirety of the Manifold, but agree that without a blog page, nothing is likely going to happen. High 1-B is due to the Manifold being infinitely layered.
I have all three books in EBook format; I can...
Gan was agreed upon to be solidly 1-A.
We didn't agree with the tier of the Tower, but it'll remain at High 1-B or At least High 1-B until I get better scans, if I do.
Los' tier was agreed to be downgraded and set to Unknown, and Dis' is still being argued (giving him possibly 1-A or keeping...
Has there been any revisions? At the very least, Gan's page needs an upgrade and explanation, which I can give, and the Crimson King's and Bessa's need to change as well.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to say. He *could* be, since you can argue Prim demons of some kinds to be 1-A (The Prim existed before the concept of dimensions), but there's no real evidence.
Agreed. He also was shown being able to grapple with the alien who threw said boulder, and was able to competently fight Spock, who is vastly stronger than any human.
Pennywise is from the Deadlights, which is a region of Todash, yes, but it stands to reason that there are dimensionless regions as well. Furthermore, even if Pennywise *did* exist in the bulk of Todash, being in a dimensionless void doesn't immediately make you dimensionless.
It does when they're able to completely control said Box from the outside and manipulate it in a manner similar to the author.
Real World < Sassy's dimension < The Box < Microskoft Paint. They're "inside the box" when Sassy is in that dimension because Sassy created it from the outside within...
Round 1:
Enterprise should take this, no diff.
Round 2:
Kirk can punch out aliens. Solo can punch out aliens. Comes down to skill, and that's subjective. You can make an argument for Kirk because of his combat intelligence, as well as being able to fight bloodlusted Vulcans, but Solo's also...
I've just been off. It's not just the stuff that happened here (which no doubt was stressful), irl stuff has made my activity rather scarce.
Anyway, the Tower can be inferred to exist in multiple different forms, like the Rose and the Talisman from that duo of books. IIRC, it's mentioned to...
I know I'm not as active anymore, but I'll at least explain why both of these are relevant (Underrated series). High-Godly is because as shown in Choomah Island 2 as well as later on in The Plac-Key, they can rewrite reality and survive the effects of this. They can survive the Box itself being...
There's also multiple stairways in the Tower, potentially infinite. I can grab some scans.
Also, essentially, a big portion of the argument was whether or not Todash Space (which the Tower encompasses, and may also contain 1-A beings by merit of having within it the more powerful Prim demons...
@Zach
I think you can make a case for each step being 1-A, as it could be seen as a reality-fiction difference. I still maintain that the tower encompassing size, dimension, and other concepts (actually, all concepts and possibilities) does make it, in a way, Platonic, and that it contains...
I sense SSJB2 becoming a thing in this movie.
And I can also sense Broly jabrony'ing Vegeta and Goku.
>Low 2-C Broly
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Just, personally, I'm not enthused. I would have preferred something original, but like...even Toriyama admits that DB is now entirely a corporate franchise. Which means...
I feel like All Might might have a higher damage output (though I'm not sure, the island in question to warrant Island level for Lez was vaporized), but how is he going to deal with Lez' Clarivoyance, ESP and True Flight?
It's a shame, too. I've compiled a far better series of arguments for why the Tower should be 1-A and by extension CK, mostly due to reality-fiction differences in the Steps of the Tower. I'd also really like to conclude this thread at some point, as we at least all agreed that the current...
@Misterman
God created and stands over all of existence itself, is transdual, and could actually be tier 0, but we lack enough evidence to formally give that tier.
Not appealing to authority, but according to Azathoth:
"He's treated as a genuinely transdual entity of infinite oneness who is...