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I posted a justification thread. Before I make the changes I would like to know if you find the justifications acceptable and logical. If so I will link said page once I update the profile.
Justification Thread
As I am making significant changes to the Morganthe character page I will use this thread to categorize the justifications for my changes to her stats. In this way I can leave her character page relatively uncluttered while still providing the necessary evidence. If you feel any of my...
That, along with correction of her feats/abilities(she has no timeline destruction feats) as well as additions(her crystallization of an entire city, creation of multiple world conquering armies, the destruction of a planet via comet redirection etc), a summary of her character's story and other...
I was recently reviewing the Morganthe profile and it has several assertions that range from slight misrepresentations to blatant falsehoods. Unfortunately the page is locked for editing. I would like to request the thread be opened so I can make several corrections.
Namely:
MFTL: Morganthe...
With the recent upgrades to Elsa being accepted it's time to pit these two characters against each other. Both bloodlusted, battle ends via death. Which elemental manipulator takes it?
Round 1- 100 meters away from each other
Round 2- Speed Equalized
Round 3- Giant Korra(Spirit Form)...
Vaatu regenerates 10,000 years after the events in LoK and discovers the world ruled by Aku. He sets out to confront the demon to see who will be the true Master of Darkness.
Conditions
-Speed Equalized(since Vaatu's is unknown)
-No BFR
It's a draw at this point based on feats and a win for Saitama based on hype/probability. That seems to be the definition of inconclusive to me. Saitama will unquestionably win at some point in the future. However for now it's a draw.
@Sheoth- yeah, lightning bending is right up there with Lava bending in terms of headscratchers on ATLA.
@Azathoth- The scene shows Iroh does not start any movements until the lightning is on screen.
I knew the Zuko feat was considered an outlier but this is the first I am hearing of Iroh's feat being considered an outlier. If so are all ATLA lightning speed feats considered outliers?
No he isn't-I linked the video above. Garnet was very clearly looking up at the sky. Just performing the same motion right now in my chair I can clearly see what's directly above my head.
To be clear I am not trying to downplay Garnet's feat. I am trying to establish a consistent benchmark here and once that is done to see it equally applied regardless of our opinions of said fictions.
Except
-We see Iroh does not begin his movement until the lightning is a few feet away from him.
-Iroh himself does not have pre-cog.
-Garnet was definitely was looking at it. See said video.
@The Everlasting- Because we see characters not as fast(Steven) reacting to said clones attacks. Unless Steven now has massively hypersonic reactions for deflecting the waterball? (feat at 2:24 not sarcasm-this is a legitimate question and would be a massive upgrade for Steven-Connie etc)
We also saw her look up before the lighning strike appeared on screen and the entire episaode is concerned with the mechanics of her pre-cog(Future Vision). Here we see Iroh's feat and the same thing happens. The lightning is already on the screen when Iroh starts moving. It really is almost the...
Yes that feat happened in a recent episode. However just as we assume laser are not light speed until demonstrated as such we can't assume the electricity is traveling at conduction speeds.
Now that the question about the default speed of lightning used here has been answered it stands to reason that Garnet(and the rest of the Crystal Gems) should be downgraded to sub-sonic+ since their speeds are based on a lightning dodging feat from similar distances. Unless they have some other...
What do you mean? Is there any evidence that the clouds from the thunderstorm in Steven Universe are any closer than the clouds in ATLA. Both reacted to a lightning bolt from a thunderstorm at ground level.
I agree that there needs to be a thread discussing the standard speed of lightning used and as such a benchmark from which we can evaluate various characters lightning reaction feats.
I concur- There is a huge difference in speeds relative to the speed of lightning used. The point of this thread is to establish a consistent speed for ligtning and as such a consistent accepted speed for these 2 characters who have an almost identical speed feat.
Even the Lava Bending Scenario(which she cant do) makes a huge amount of unlikely assumptions
-He decides not to blitz her
-She can override his sand control via chi to change it's State
-He is wearing his Sand Armor
-He decides not to Substitute.
The speed difference is far too great for Toph to overcome. That being said I am not sure why people assume Toph can control gaara's sand. Toph's control comes from utilizing chi wheras Gaara's control comes from utilizing chakra. in order to prove Toph can bend his sand you would have to prove...
Apparently its so controversial it hasn't garnered any attention whatsoever lol. That being said I'll wait till the end of the week for some more input.
Garnet from Steven Universe is currently listed as Massively Hypersonic based on deflecting a bolt of lightning. However we have a calculation for almost the same feat putting Uncle Iroh of ATLA at subsonic. Said calculation is accepted and can be found here.
Now Iroh's feat and Garnet's feat...
As many of you may be aware Boruto the movie has recently been released and along with the new movie comes new feats. One of the more memorable feats occurs in the short battle between Momoshiki, Sasuke and Naruto. The particular feat I am referring to occurs when Momoshiki launches volleys of...