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I don't see an issue of his whole body being damaged if the explosion covered his whole entire body. Also, the size of the bomb only changes the DC and there's no evidence it changes the AP.
As stated earlier in this thread Sakura's ability puts chakra directly in her fist, so her AP wouldn't necessarily scale for her durability as she doesn't do this for her whole entire body. Her getting a durability anti-feat doesn't refute the scaling presented.
You're ignoring that Raikage has other Bijuu level scaling so this is all irrelevant but I'll entertain you still.
Sakura and Tsunade have attacks that are used to amp their fists by directly moving chakra to their fists. If people like Madara or early Shippüden Naruto could do the same thing...
The amount of chakra does mean something, your refutation involved Sakura and Tsunade which involves a special technique that amplifies fists. Raikage has feats that are Bijuu level and not just that statement. The statement of his Biju level chakra is referring to his lightning cloak which is...
Tsunade and Sakura both have the same ability of amping their taijutsu to be that strong, Madara and Naruto do have the chakra to beat them but they just need to go into higher forms to access all of it. I also don't see why this is very relevant to the AP upgrades for these characters.
I also don't know why you brought up Naruto's rasengan when we were talking about Minato and how Obito does or doesn't scale to him in AP, do you want to concede that argument?
@AstralKing7 Kakazu was blatantly stronger than Kakashi, but he wanted to use him as a heart so that's the reason why he didn't kill him. The Raikiri scaling above that Rasengan is very logical and has a blatant feat to back it up.
Depends on the attack though Damage. I would say Bijuu bombs scale to durability but obviously not the Raikiri. But for AstralKing to say that chakra just always enhances taijutsu was very wrong.
Chakra enhancing taijutsu and durability would only apply to forms with cloaks or characters like Tsunade and Sakura who are stated to put chakra in their fists. I am not ignoring Naruto being stronger than Kakashi, the Raikiri scales above Kakashi's taijutsu and durability by a lot. For...
I brought up an Older Obito to establish his higher pain tolerance, not for a durability feat. What I said was relevant to the Minato scene but what you said wasn't. Obito allowing Kakashi to hit him with the Raikiri doesn't mean anything, you would have to prove that Obito could magically drop...
I don't know why you're bringing up an older Obito with a Rinnegan tanking a KCM2 Naruto's rasengan but that's irrelevant and doesn't prove anything. The Raikiri being able to damage Obito is consistent as well since war arc Kakashi is much stronger and the Raikiri has no anti-feats!
Obito getting up from the attack doesn't scale, it's due to his high pain tolerance. As we see in the war arc he's still able to fight even after a Raikiri blows a large part of his chest. He also has the Hashirama cells which also assists him when damaged. So there's still no evidence of Obito...
He didn't tank it like it's nothing, it literally blew his arm off and there's still no evidence he's as strong as Minato, so what you just said meant nothing.
@AstralKing7 Also Sasori let Chiyo and Sakura win as stated. Sakura being able to destroy the puppets doesn't mean much as well since Sakura doesn't have any anti-feats. Even if she does have anti-feats, that just means their durability doesn't scale to their AP. So either way Sakura's AP is...
I deliberately ignored that point because the Edo Tensei nerf is unquantifiable so it wouldn't be my job to prove how Kakuzu goes from one tier down to another. Also you made the claim that everyone else who was nerfed remained in the same tier without evidence.
@AstralKing7 We see the explosion destroy the whole building they were trapped inside of. Hidan survived off of immortality and Kakuzu did off of durability (as we literally saw him stop Yugito's attack).
Oh, so you are only gonna repeat the same empty "we just debunked" you until someone gets tired and lets you change the ratings? That's a good plan.
No, if I repeat the initial arguments you will just repeat your counters and then I'll refute them. Then after hours of debating it will start...
You can literally scroll up in chat, I fail to see why you're deserving of the privilege of me typing out the entire argument in paragraphs while looking for the evidence as well. That will just waste time for arguments that's already been made.
@Xulrev your situation is a bit more understandable since you've just came to the thread, but literally all of those points have been properly refuted.
@LSirLancelotDuLacl you're repeating many arguments as well. You acknowledging the Edo Tensei gives a nerf is enough, there is no need for quantification as the feats themselves prove it. @Damage3245 Your arguments have been properly refuted and it was already proven in this thread that the...
@Damage3245 these arguments have already been responded to and refuted multiple times and this is clearly becoming ad nauseam on your end. Check #40 on the fallacy page https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy
Re: Damage3245 you do know that when Orochimaru revived the first four Hokage that was the Perfected form of Edo Tensei? You acknowledging they are weaker just further supports that Kakuzu is nerfed.
@LSirLancelotDuLacl We don't know to quantify the nerf from Edo Tensei, but based off of what we seen it is very considerable. Also Kakuzu was defeated by weapons from Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki!
Noodles67 has demonstrated heavy implications that Kakuzu is the main one that fights Jinchurikis and that he would most logically be the one who drew blood from Yugito. In Kakuzu's fight against Kakashi and others it was very obvious that he was much stronger than all of them. Kakashi could...
Even Kurama is referred to as a spirit but shinobi can still physically interact with him using non-ninjutsu techniques (such as Hiruzen's staff). The Bijuu are made out of chakra and chakra has never been shown to be something that's intangible so that's a lost point. Also you're reaching very...
I'd also like to add that this Kakuzu downplay is very prevalent on this wiki with other Naruto characters who very easily and blatantly scale to the Bijuu. Kakuzu and many others deserve an upgrade.
I never saw them as the same tier anyways, a character who can move in a place without time is obviously faster than somebody moving at an infinite distance in finite time.
What's the justification for Goku being building level during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai? All I see is that he fought Nam, and Nam's page just said he fought Goku.