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Hey man, how is it going? I'm about to create some JoJo profiles for a brazilian wiki, so I'd like to ask for your permission to use this calc that you made. I intend to translate it to portuguese and, of course, give you all of the credits for the calc
I agree with you in that last thing, but I really don't think that's what Griffon meant. The funny thing is that Griffon's original statement in Japanese might even be completely different, since apparently many of the dialogues in the game have slight problems in the English version
Again, if Griffon meant that, he wouldn't use "can do" when talking about Vergil, since it wouldn't make sense grammatically. What he's saying is basically "Vergil is much more powerful than us, so knowing that you had even a little bit of trouble with us, imagine what he can do to you"
Griffon literally states that Dante had a little bit of trouble in defeating them, so you either assume that Dante had trouble with three 7-B demons or that he had a small difficulty with two that are 7-B and one that is 3-A
As for what you said about Mundus fearing him and laying waste to the...
Assuming that this eventually gets accepted, I believe Nightmare should have two keys in his original profile, "Full power" and "Restrained" : "At least Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (His power could lay waste to the Demon World, which is bigger than our universe. His power was feared...
Oh, ok. It's only that the arguments against the upgrade were answered and I don't think there's anything left to discuss. I mean, it's a pretty solid upgrade
Wouldn't Azathoth be possibly Low 1-C? There's a quote in his profile that says he's "beyond time and space" and exists in the "outer limits of existence"
The fact that Mundus, a tier 3 being, feared Nightmare's power and had to restrain it because of such fear isn't evidence for Nightmare being a tier 3? I don't get how saying "This doesn't support 3-A for Nightmare" automatically invalidates the argument, but ok.
With your interpretation...
Laying waste to the demon world would simply be considered further evidence for tier 3, that's all.
What you said about Mundus contradicts the manga, since its clearly stated that Mundus himself feared Nightmare and his power. Nothing suggests that he was simply afraid of Nightmare attacking...
Nightmare is currently at the 7-B tier by scalling from other characters like Griffon and Echidna. This also applies to the "familiar version" that we see in DMC5.
DMC1 Nightmare
However, chapter 8 of the manga Visions of V gives us more details about Nightmare's origin. According to it...
Just checked the ring calc again, I don't get why you're using the weight of a small moon. I mean, sure, WoG states that the rings have the size of a small moon (which is far from what we see in the movie, but whatever), but the rings are made of a completely different material and also have a...
Dante scales to Cerberus and Griffon, who have casual 8-A and 7-B feats. It's easy to prove that dying from a collapsing island would be a PIS for him
And I don't see the point or bringing the DCEU up, every franchise has to be analyzed individually. You can't expect that every single antifeat...
There's context behind that. We know that DB characters can control the range of their attacks, that explains how a small ki explosion can damage a 4-B character
About Dante, that's just a PIS that contradicts almost every other feat in the franchise, even the ones that aren't 3-A or Low 2-C...
Btw, there is more than 1 antifeat
Not only was Surtur obliterated by a 6-C explosion, Hela was destroyed by an attack that was canonically weaker than said explosion
She didn't even get damaged and died from her wounds, she just straight up exploded
Is it worth calcing Surtur destroying Asgard? I mean, not the whole realm (which apparently has context behind it), but that initial explosion that burns the city
It seems like a big deal to Surtur, since he only uses that attack when it's really necessary
I don't think it's that much of a low-ball, since he seems to be already touching (or at least very close to) the meteor, but anyway, 6-C seems fine.
Btw, is all of the KE from the meteor being applied against Stark even though they are largely different in size?
Yeah, just watched the scene in slow motion, apparently Hela gets completely destroyed when the sword hits her, so she dies even before the High 6-C explosion.
Surtur should be at least 7-B just by that, right?
Regarding the meteor feat, when Thanos destroys the moon's surface, if you check the colors used in the scene, you'll notice that he used the power gem (purple) and then the space gem (blue), though the space gem is no longer being used when the meteorites hit the planet, so I always assumed...
Just checked the actual scene and you're right. A bunch of trees do get taken down, but definitely not in a mile radius, as there are still lots of trees completely fine behind Thor
My interpretation is that Surtur knows that his final attack is going to destroy not only Asgard, but also himself, so he only uses it in that one situation. I mean, it makes more sense than to assume that he tanked the explosion and then died for no reason
And tbf it's pretty consistent at...
No one tanked it, the attack actually killed Hela and Surtur (both superior to Thor at his peak). I even think that if the downgrades get approved, Surtur's profile should have something like "7-B normally. High 6-C via suicidal attack"
That obviously wouldn't scale to his durability btw
Crushing the Mjolnir. Though I don't know anything about the recent revisions about feats that involve heat and Mjolnir's durability is 100% based in heat
That's sad. Did you take into consideration that they were underwater and that would upgrade the result? You probably did, I'm just trying to deal with one of my favorite feats in JoJo not being 8-B
That'd be great. Also, someone should calc Star Platinum destroying the giant diamond teeth. I mean, a guy did calculate it here, but he just states that he won't be considering the teeth as durable as diamonds in his calc because it's likely an hyperbole, which is weird, because there is no...
You forgot things like RHCP 8-B calc being accepted as completely fine, but the fact that he used all of that energy on Crazy Diamond / Josuke (who obviously survived) is ignored because...?
Also, Part 8 Kira's SHA causing a tsunami, which is 8-B, but was completely ignored when someone...
Well, each one of the dimensions was filled with those strange purple rocks that only grow in Malphas body and in her "cave". So we know that the alternate dimensions are somehow related to her.
In the enemy files, Nico states that creating a nightmare version of Goliath (which V fights to...