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@Ricsi-viragosi
I'd always thought* SSJ4 is more of a Limit-Breaker. Henceforth, it does not have a fixed-multiplier. Along with* additional things that makes it stronger & better SSG & SSGSS
@Ryukama , DBS transformations only right ? Because idk about SSJ4 - that is its own mystery for some who tries to figure that out
I always thought the statement was referring to to just DBS continuity and not GT. But who knows :'(
@Akerious but how would that explain the large gap between the Two ? Ultra Instinct or not .. Jiren should be fast enough by default to catch Master Roshi regardless - its too big of a difference
Roshi should at least passed-out by the first hit ... let alone a body limb ( or head ) falling...
What are your thoughts about this ? :p
What thoughts have changed about Ultra Instinct " ~Omen~ " ...
Should Master Roshi's Tiering change because he was able to clash with Jiren and not die instantly ? ( or at least pass-out ) .
Does this mean that Master Roshi > than SSGSS & SSG ?
the...
@Ricisi-viragosi the Video you linked with Seth & Chuck ... they've been ... " all-over-the-place lately ". How does that prove anything ? Despite that, if you ignore the little pieces of past evidence thats been given to the audience ... there's a good chance you might miss "something"
^.~*
@AssaultWaffle, I'm trying to stick to the Title of this Thread. When i mentioned Ultra Instinct "Sign" and True Ultra Instinct (white hair Goku) ... i think that spurred it's own "debacle"
Ultimately, however, the whole purpose in that is to make it aware that there are other ways to approach & analyze SSG.
Some like to start using Vegito, some like to start-off using Beerus' 10% Statement to Vegeta, or maybe Toriyama statement of " 6,10,15 " in regards to SSG Goku, Beerus and...
@Ryukama, I am unsure what you're insinuating
I am not saying that Ultra Instinct is weaker is than SSG nor SSGSS. I'm saying its really more technical than just " being stronger " - and the Anime doesn't make that apparent
( but then again by this point its hard to take DBS seriously...
^
I don't entirely agree with the system thats used on this Website. But it's fair in most cases. But its really the DBS anime to blame and not this Website. DBS anime is really inconsistent in more ways than one ... so that's understandable :s
@Ryukama
Just so you know, anyone can easily go back and re-watch the T.O.P Arc. Everything that transpired can be used to support another's POV on the matter
( very similar to an Open-Ended Question - the very same information you listed can be used to support another POV that could very...
Thats what I'm saying - It did increase his power , but in order to do that, the Senses had to be sharpened, afterwards his Speed & Acceleration - *then* power increased
When i said " output " , I'm referring to power
''But if i explained it further .. it'll actually bring some-sort of...
... Admittedly, my approach into figuring-out Ultra Instinct ... i use alot of correlations from other fictions to assist in that. Sooo .... not to confuse anyone here ...
Ultra Instinct just indirectly increases the speed & acceleration of the user by an extrodinary/ unfathomable amount (...
Well Ultra Instinct isn't even a Transformation - " its just fighting without thinking ". Whis hinted to what it is multiple times in DBS.
If a large,handful amount of people here seems to be dead-set into believing Kefla is near Ultra Instinct Level - or even beyond it. Then thats ... "...
even so, there's nothing to refute Kale tanking SSGSS Goku's Kamehameha before he ever fought against Jiren ... when she was later struggling with a tired-out Goku.( after he fought against Jiren
( https://i.imgur.com/m0Vu5Dk.jpg )
Which practically confirms that SSGSS is not x50, whereas...
" Half-Empty, Half-Full ". Piccolo's Statements only confirms what I've been saying. Goku was tired
Simply put:
Frieza did not heal Goku all the way - the only indication is that he healed Goku only a
" little bit "
Meaning that Kefla was fighting against a Weakened Ultra Instinct.
Kefla is above SSJ3 Goku, but below SSJ Vegito - that's what I'm trying to say. Even if she was higher than SSJ Vegito ... then she is definitely lower than SSJ2 Vegito
So many claim Beerus is lieing, yet not one has showed any definite proof of that. Anyone can easily go back watch how the events transpired to get their answer - i certainly won't due to obvious reasons ...
( https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-29-2015/RuCh3i.gif )
But, if i have to for the sake...
@Amexim ,
Due to how Vague DBS as whole, you'd have to examine many different other events that transpired in order to figure out SSG ( that's the closest anyone will ever get
" thats why I'm mentioning Kefla "
It has nothing to do with downlplay ... Kefla is weak. Period
As such, if SSG &...
@Amexim
Thats not at all what i said.
Since goku was tired during that fight, that is what made Kefla seem so strong. So what if she thinks she can destroy a Universe ?
The Saiyan Girl never even knew what SSJ was "a couple of minutes ago " - how is she supposed to know whats its like to...
@TheMerchant66
I wish it were " that " simple ... but SSJ3 Vegito only happened in DBH. So that's tricky to consider.
Its still unknown if Goku was referring to Gogeta or Vegito. But, if going that route to figure out SSG, something similar would have to done using Gogeta too
1) And SSJ2 " Enraged " Vegeta just so happens to be 1/10th of this ... " Shared-Universal-Shaking " feat ?
2) Explain how Kefla comes close to SSG Goku ?
Caulifa & Kale struggle to face Goku - even after Goku was tired after battling against Jiren. Yet, somehow, " Berserker SSJ Kale " tanked...
Been browsing through the web, and now since the DBS series is over - what do you think is the SSG Multiplier ? I am not trying to envoke any " Keyboard-Flame-Wars " ... just wondering what others think.
I already have my answer for it, but ... well nothing is official ... but might not* ever...
In need of Aid. Not familiar of Using the Proper Format and would like for another to properly fix it. And while you're at it, feel free to delete the "image.shack" links - forgot to do that.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Diaz_Ragu (this is the one)
Sorry if its quite the "fixer-upper". Dx
There's Also a possiblilty that the Shadow Skill Universe itself might need to be explained too ~.~ ... Fortunately, I do recall a Short Segment in one of the Episodes in which the Narrator does give a rough Summary of that.
( Which feels like a "Naruto" / "HunterxHunter" Vibe imo ... but a...
This is what i have: Background Info, a few ... "Quotes" - mentioned in Anime & Manga. And the Feats ... which were displayed in 1 Episode.
Which is why i might have to just "abandon" the idea. However, its enough for a well-placed assumption.
In other words, in order to have an idea of what...