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I know you are trying to make this pass off because you somehow think it contradicts Akasha being Tier 0 (Even though it doesn't really. Manipulating abstract concepts flowed from Akasha =/= The unifying omnipotent force), but what about Death Perception, Unified Language, True Magic and...
So, let me get this straight:
Shirou used nothingness to describe the flow of state in archery.
Roa uses nothingness, alongside darkness and death, on top of the imagery of him "journeying", to describe his experience after his bodily death.
Now I don't know how you see it. But I think that...
It's unreasonable to dismiss it as flowerly language when those are the common terms used to describe Akasha. What exactly makes Roa's statements any less concrete than those of any characters that have described the Root as "nothingness" or "darkness"? Ryougi described the Root in the same way...
Thanks for the scan. However, I don't think this changes the primary point. Overload is what he created in the background. The black mass and the hole above still would have nothing to do with that, and neither does the title of the move itself. We know that Overload's function is to amp Roa's...
Straight from the Arcueid route in the VN. This is Roa clearly saying that he has experienced death, darkness and "nothingness", and that he has journeyed through it many times. Should be a very clear reference to Akasha. Note that when he states "I'll still remain in this world", he refers to...
Baby has hax on his page that should be able to bypass durability like attacking atoms. I was also wondering who is faster, since I've heard people here saying Baby should blitz. But I wanted confirmation.
Baby Vegeta
VS
MUI Goku
Final Form Baby Vegeta.
TOP Arc MUI Goku.
In-character.
Speed unequalized.
Can Baby's hax and speed make up for the difference in power?
Even if that's the case, all Touko claimed was that if Beowulf ran at him and tried to charge him down instead of attacking, he would've won. The problem is that Beowulf DIDN'T do that and most combatants would not even do that in the first place. They would strike instead like normal. Beo did...
No, that isn't always the case. This was literally Touko saying this. This was also a holding back Soujuurou trying to deal damage to Beo in proportion to what he dealt to Aoko and Alice. If Beo just tried to run through him, Soujuurou would've dodged or have gotten more serious.
Beo does have...
Beowulf literally died until he regenerated. If Beo was that much superior, he would have killed Shizuki regardless if he charged in or not. Beo's trauma started AFTER he was taken down, because he realised he wasn't as invincible as he was. In no way does that mean that he would have magically...
What? Touko literally said Aoko and Alice are invincible with Soujuurou there. Shizuki quite literally took Beo down in 2 hits, with Beowulf only surviving through regen. Beowulf himself said Soujuurou held back and if Beowulf tried to retaliate now, Soujuurou would just stomp his skull in...
Well, it wasn't explicitly stated. But we know that they train in combat and go as far as to challenge other swordmasters and found their own school. Shiki also said that it was a tradition for the head of the family to have spars with other masters. We can infer from all of that they enjoy...
It's just a misunderstanding if anything. Let's move on.
Mmh. I'd need to see that. Besides, Kiri's intention was to just make Shiki capable of defending himself in case something happened. Even if the story progressed further, we would have to assume he changed his mind and planned to make a...
I never said that she outright mastered the Nanaya Arts. That wouldn't make sense, as you have correctly explained. I said she can use them as well as Nanaya Shiki specifically, who has not mastered them either. He was only taught the basics in case he needed to defend himself. It's fair to...
Anyway just for the sake of completeness I'll include KnK characters in the rankings at this point.
God Tier- Archetype Earth, Void Shiki
Cosmic Tier- Aoko using the Fifth Magic, Type Moon, Zelretch,
Top Tier- Soujuurou Shizuki, Nanaya Shiki, Tohno Shiki, Ryougi Shiki
High Tier- Roa, Powered...
Oh, the strength of the rumor affects the stability of the manifestation actually. In the game, Sion noted that Nrvnqsr was disappearing early because Shiki was the only person fearing him, which was not enough for a full materialization. However, he shouldn't have been weaker since Wallachia...
Ryougi in KnK has no showings that are up to par with Nanaya. Her normal self was unable to perceive Souren Araya's movements, who is compared to Nrvnqsr and Kishima, both of whom are massively below Nanaya. Even with self hypnosis, her speedblitzing Araya while wounded and slowed down is...
Should be noted that Arcueid lost her no concept of death at night after being killed the first time in Tsukihime. Warcueid noted it in MB and concluded that it was due to her being already killed once before. In fact, Tohno could actually see lines on Arcueid during the night in the Ciel route...
If you are referring to a lore ranking: (All characters are at their peak version/best point in time)
God Tier- Archetype Earth
Cosmic Tier- Aoko using the Fifth Magic, Type Moon, Zelretch,
Top Tier- Soujuurou Shizuki, Nanaya Shiki, Tohno Shiki
High Tier- Roa, Powered Ciel, Red Arcueid...
Tatari Nrvnqsr can match MB Tohno. And later in AA Powered Ciel takes out Warcueid and wasn't impressed by her. And that was one made by Osiris, so it should be as strong as the real Red Arcueid. Though this is all from the games so it may or may not be accepted.
Shiki should win. He has a great speed advantage and Death Perception should deal with most of GOB. Gilgamesh being in character does not help his case either. It would also restrict his use of SNI, to the point he would reject certain outcomes where he loses out of pride.
I'm so sorry for the late reply.
I completely agree with the downgrades and your arguments. However, given that i have already made a very similar thread and it was locked without proper counterarguments, i feel like it would be pointless for me to comment there.
Oh, i missed that she was a fake Akiha. My point still stands though. Ciel could fight Arcueid with her power restored and was above Sion in the first MB.
The comparison with Caster specifically talked about a battle of magecraft. It didn't say that Caster will always win in any situation. Caster has AOG magecraft, so she is naturally superior to Ciel, but that's not really a manner of raw power, just Caster being a bad match up for Ciel. In fact...
Because MB Ciel is too much for Kirei going by feats. Just her being stronger than Ciel in the manga places her above Kirei. This statement only makes sense if it is referring to Tsukihime Ciel.
If they can defeat each other then it means that they are on the same level.
Kouma only beats an...